Not to get sidetracked from the original post, but now another question comes to mind. This is not intended to bash the tribes, so please do not get started on that line of thinking! With that being said, as far as I know, don't native Indians still have to have a state driver's license to drive off reservation lands?

If so, are they also "required" by Clinton's law to also give the state a "social security number before they can get their drivers licenses? Or do special groups or races have special exemptions to this law? So what do the Canadians do if they come over to Washington and buy a non resident fishing license? What social security number are they going to use?

What happens when if you're still just a kid (15-18 years old) and you have never worked for wages yet and you have not applied for, nor received a "social security number"? Does the "state" have the legal right to "force" a person under 18 to secure a social security number just in order to go fishing or hunting?

Where is the ACLU or other civil rights groups when we really need them?


Cowlitzfisherman

CFM.............
Refer to my earlier threads..

My guess would be that they do disclose it, or they do not and because of the law forbidding the forcing of disclosure and the tribes ability and willingness to sue, they do not force them.

MC

Oh, and BTW, we are the wrong sex, color, and race for the ACLU to give $.02 about us.... (not including all board members in that, just many of us)

CF
You should go and actually talk to a dealer or a WDFW regional office. The SSN is only required for your first initial purchace. The data you give them is then saved into a data base. You never have to give them your number again. Yuo are issued a wild ID number and you can use your drivers lisence #. Many dealers are lazey and ask for your ssn but you can tell them no and use one of your other choices. As for your paranoia about the "non state workers" Once you have given your number it is blacked out for any other further access. No one can see it. You might want to try an aluminum foil hat, I hear it might block big brother from reading your thoughts. The truth is out there Scully.

w. coyote

Since you're into the business of dealing with "sporting good sales", obviously you are either working with these state computers or your working with the folks who are using them.

Without trying to add to your little cutting "paranoid" remarks, if you reread what I had originally asked for in this thread, maybe you would not have needed to frame your last part of your answer in the fashion that you did. Do you always have such a big problem separating someone's legit questions from the meaning of the word "paranoid" ?

What I said was;

How in the devil can you get "I don't know the answers, so that is why I am asking you these questions!" mixed up with being paranoid?

Your first part of your rely was very informative, but why did you feel so compelled to add your last little nip when you said;

Your logic kind of reminds me of a time when millions of people were told that they were going to get to take a hot shower, and they believed what they were told; until the doors were locked and something else besides water filled the rooms.

Never again should people be afraid to ask why, or to question!

CFM, not trying to cause any problems here. As part of my job I am the assistant Network administrator at my company. And my wife builds data bases for a living. Both of us have degrees in computers and computer networking. It is easy to ensure that people even those that work for the state cannot get to certain information. every person and computer on a network are assigned certain rights. And only the network admin can asign or change them.

If the admin dosen't want you to see something you can't. It is also possible to be able to see something but not change it known as "read only".

There are a number of different rights and combinations, but I am not going to try and go through them here. But this is the point, if it was to happen the person you should question would be the network admin. It is thier job to protect the data on the job sites network.

Hope this helps.

Thank you BW!

That's all I was looking and asking for, and I appreciate your reply without making any side nipping remarks.

Cowlitzfisherman

I was never told I had a choice. In fact, GI Joes told me I could not get a license without all of the information. So I would have to sue them to get licensed without giving up my SSN#. That's the way it is in my world. If in your world there is no big brother, good for you. But I like to keep my foot on his neck. If I dont, he has and will again "STEP ON MINE". I guess if you have something to lose (like a govt. job), all this "paranoid" talk is personally threatning. I dont, and it's not!

No one forces you to give out your SS#. You have the choice of not buying a fishing liscence. Fishing is a privilage not a right. As is your drivers liscence. Remember felons do not have the right to vote, hunt, fish, or carry guns. So if you don't want to give out your SS# don't, but don't cry about not fishing. I personally think trying to nab dead beat fathers is a good thing for the state to try to do. How can anyone disagree with that.

Good attitude weedwacker.

Hey!
If they don't pay then throw them in prison.
If they still don't pay then hang them.
Problem solved. Real DEAD-beats don't go fishing.

The last time I tryed any side nipping my wife beat the crap out of me.

For all you guys that just can't stand not to whack away at me

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Oh how right you are.... But coercion is wrong, and ILLEGAL! That is the problem. It becomes coercion when you cannot open a bank account, take out a loan, or work simply because you refuse to disclose your SSN. Sad thing is that when you refuse to disclose it, you are only exercising your right as the law states..... Then you are "punished" by not being given the "priviledge" to work, fish, buy, etc..... That is wrong. If we do not follow the law, we pay the penalty. So, when states, employers, banks, etc. to not follow the law, why do they not get in trouble for it?
Most people could care less about disclosing their SSN... That is fine, but they SHOULD care that they are not required to disclose it and the law states they cannot be "forced, compelled, or coerced" into disclosing it.

MC