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#229990 - 01/29/04 04:35 PM Quinault Tribe--5 days a week, till April 15
DrifterWA Offline
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beathead The Quinault tribe will be net fishing the Chehalis and the Humptulips Rivers, until April 15, 5 days a week.

Heard a rumor, so called the Montesano office of WDF, just got off the phone....the rumor was confirmed.

Guess you have to pray for lot's of super high water so the native stock has a chance to get up river.

Can't believe that WDF would allow a 5 day net fishery until April 15th... cry

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#229991 - 01/29/04 05:12 PM Re: Quinault Tribe--5 days a week, till April 15
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That's BS.
Good luck,
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#229992 - 01/29/04 06:43 PM Re: Quinault Tribe--5 days a week, till April 15
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Looks like your prayers are going to be answered. At least for the time being.

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#229993 - 01/29/04 06:53 PM Re: Quinault Tribe--5 days a week, till April 15
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With the poor returns to the Hump in recent years, what justification can be made for such a liberal netting schedule??

Anyone?
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#229994 - 01/29/04 07:06 PM Re: Quinault Tribe--5 days a week, till April 15
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Where are these fish being sold? If we can not stop the tribes from netting maybe a little pressure on those that are could help the problem.
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#229995 - 01/29/04 07:18 PM Re: Quinault Tribe--5 days a week, till April 15
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Since when does WDFW ALLOW the tribes to net? They are just doing what we have allowed them to do which is interpret the treaties way way beyond intent....

How much federal and state money was spent to create all of those fish so the tribes could net them and sell them and not pay any taxes or licenses? evil evil evil
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#229996 - 01/29/04 09:01 PM Re: Quinault Tribe--5 days a week, till April 15
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dont they allready get to net the quinalt fishery as well, its natives who give natives a black eye, there is no need to be netting rivers liek the hump, it cant sustain a large wild steelie harvest, if any at all..so sportsmen get restrictions on how many wild fish they can keep ( i dont keep wild fish, i believe there should be a state wide wild steelhead ban) but this gives more to the tribes? no wonder there is so much bitterness towards the tribes..

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#229997 - 01/29/04 09:31 PM Re: Quinault Tribe--5 days a week, till April 15
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The Quinalts have been rapeing the Hum and Chehalis for years without regard to poor runs, they also tried to start netting the Cowlitz a few years back and they did nett the Hoh up untill 10 or 12 years ago. They feel they have a right to every rivers fish runs it seems. Did I mention the Queets.


This is why I would never support any of their fisheries by paying to fish it. They rape rape and rape more then brag about how good a job they do with the Quinault when all it is is a hatchery factory. Thats nothing to brag about if you ask me. Nor am I impressed with growing large hatchery fish when the native stocks are struggling.

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#229998 - 01/29/04 09:37 PM Re: Quinault Tribe--5 days a week, till April 15
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I think the fish will havbe a free pass for the next week or so. but it's a damn shame. Is this there idea of co -managing?

And what ever happend to trying to take their share from the early hatchery brats.

I think we need to try to work on a serious boycott of steelhead in markets and resturants.

I got in a screaming match at the pike Place Market years ago when I saw wild steelhead on ice with a big sign that said "Steelhead The Sportsman's Choice" I convinced the fish monger that out choice would be for the fish to remain in the river. But he never stopped selling them.
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#229999 - 01/29/04 10:37 PM Re: Quinault Tribe--5 days a week, till April 15
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Just goes to show AGIAN how poorly Washington DFG manages things. What is the basis for netting rivers that arent producing 100%?????
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#230000 - 01/29/04 11:04 PM Re: Quinault Tribe--5 days a week, till April 15
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I'll be glad when the last steelhead is netted... that way we can focus on the the real sport fishing,

Put and take trout! mmmm april is just around the corner... rolleyes


hearing this really pisses me off. If there is not enough fish for a catch and keep fishery there is no way they should be allowed to net. Period end of story.

As much as I wished a boycot would work, I dont think there is anyway you will convince mr. and mrs. richy rich that it is bad to buy wild steelhead. I'm all for trying though.

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#230001 - 01/29/04 11:57 PM Re: Quinault Tribe--5 days a week, till April 15
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Registered: 12/21/02
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Loc: Graham
One obvious problem is that not enough of those fish are sold around here to make a difference even if they were boycotted.

The market at Pike's seems to sell them regularly, but their about the only ones I know of locally that do. Perhaps others could give better input on markets/stores in their areas?

Most of the netted steelhead are sold back east or overseas.

Its the same with Columbia springers. At the meeting earlier this month one of the commercials was claiming that netters were the only way to "bring the fish to the public." More bs. I closely examine the fish in the case each time I'm in a store and I rarely if ever see fresh Columbia springer around here either.
Its nearly all shipped ot to higher $ markets.

You will see "steelhead" regulaly in stores, but its all farmed.

The crime only escalates when you see the pittance they get per pound. beathead
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#230002 - 01/30/04 12:43 AM Re: Quinault Tribe--5 days a week, till April 15
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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Hey that's great! laugh

AND one of the WDFW managers and his tribal fish manager buddy are going to come over this weekend and stick hot needles in my eye! Right before the Super Bowl kickoff!

I can't wait until next season, when they're going to come back and roast my balls with a blowtorch.

Sometimes I think I'd be better off not even knowing these things.........because right now my aggravation meter is pegged. mad
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#230003 - 01/30/04 12:55 AM Re: Quinault Tribe--5 days a week, till April 15
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Were working on bainbridge Island and every day I drive by the suquamish tribal fish market and on the sign it reads fresh wild steelhead, truecod, lingcod and snapper, smelt and crab, oysters , clams, think I even seen shrimp on there. I'd never in my life go in the dirty place to see where there getting the seafood but I'm sure they got connections. I can't believe indians can get away with the stuff they do. Its an outrage.
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#230004 - 01/30/04 01:49 AM Re: Quinault Tribe--5 days a week, till April 15
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Loc: Everett Wa.
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#230005 - 01/30/04 02:27 AM Re: Quinault Tribe--5 days a week, till April 15
FishDoctor Offline
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Pike Place market would be a nice place to have a protest to killing and selling wild steelhead... shoot I would love to see the looks on the tourist face's. zip
how about a couple of photos of the left over discarded gill nets as well, to remind people that gill nets kill more than just fish...
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#230006 - 01/30/04 02:31 AM Re: Quinault Tribe--5 days a week, till April 15
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From an earlier thread on "Right or Wrong" I posted:

Remember, that broodstock programs can potentially be pandora's box for when it come to the wild fish. With the introduction of broodstock programs, i.e Satsop/Wynooche, etc. word on the street is the tribes will pressure to put the nets in get their 50% of the harvestable run later in the season at the expense of wild fish returning. A good number of anglers seem to believe that wild broodstocks programs are just great. What I want to know is the major goals of these programs, to create more hatchery fish or to aid in the recovery of a wild run? If it's the latter how come we think we can do it better than the fish? If it's just to create hatchery fish don't we have enough hatchery programs as it is? It's funny how there are never any stated goals or objectives when it comes to these programs, why is that?


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#230007 - 01/30/04 09:15 AM Re: Quinault Tribe--5 days a week, till April 15
Bob Offline

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But Rich ... does the Hump have a broodstock program???

Yes, it can have negative effects. But would it take a 5 day a week netting schedule to harvest 50% of the broodstocked fish?

Someone at the state needs to get some 'nads and fight some of the decisions by our "conservation-minded co-managers". rolleyes

Keep supporting those Quinault fisheries, sport or commerical! They'll take every last one they can!
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#230008 - 01/30/04 02:31 PM Re: Quinault Tribe--5 days a week, till April 15
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I do not understand.

Te same people that take part in the Quinault hatchery factory fishery, (yes these are the same people that go to bat for the Quinaults when they get bashed for their practices because they like to catch their fish), are the same ones that get upset with them for their rape of the Hump and other rivers. But yet these people still pay to fish the Quinault. I have news for ya the QUinault is nothing more than a Cowlitz that is run by Indians. The only difference is that the Quinault hasnt yet evolved into what the Cowlitz is but its on its way.

The Quinault has the most degraded native fish stocks on the coast. Some say their hatchery practices are the best id say they are a disaster.

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#230009 - 01/30/04 03:45 PM Re: Quinault Tribe--5 days a week, till April 15
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Posts: 29
Loc: Aberdeen
I just got back from checking out the river and found that the high water has not slowed down the netting. The water is high and dirty but there is very little debri to hang up in the nets and the tribe boats are out there.

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