#231622 - 02/09/04 07:25 PM
Re: Wild Steelhead Kill Outlawed in WA for 2 Yrs!
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Believe me cohoangler, I'm not. But like you said, it's a wonderful thought anyway.
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#231623 - 02/09/04 07:31 PM
Re: Wild Steelhead Kill Outlawed in WA for 2 Yrs!
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 06/14/00
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Loc: Toledo, Washington
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Phish I hate to tell you, but your kind of logic is what got us where we are now! Again, with nets AND sportsman harvest, 2 wrongs dont make a right. Fix what you can, while you can, when you can. That analogy will never ever work!
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#231624 - 02/09/04 07:32 PM
Re: Wild Steelhead Kill Outlawed in WA for 2 Yrs!
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 01/14/03
Posts: 203
Loc: redmond, WA
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CFM,
I know that 85% (I believe that is what one of their biologist told me last week) of people don't send in their cards and that is what extrapilate from and that is what they take into account as unreported fish. Not exactly the same as under reporting fish. And they don't and won't take into account poaching which is also an issue. They even admit that there numbers are flawed but they are the only numbers we have to go on just like the Tribe numbers are flawed but again that is what we have to go on.
There is a lot of hand waving going on both sides is the thing that should be taken from this.
JJ
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#231625 - 02/09/04 08:17 PM
Re: Wild Steelhead Kill Outlawed in WA for 2 Yrs!
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 03/28/00
Posts: 222
Loc: Renton,WA
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So how about this, close all rivers after January31 to let all wild fish in all rivers deal with only the commercial pressure, and we as people that say we care about wild fish hit the streets and try to curve public demand for an endangered public resource.
So say that we close the C&R fisheries and everybody is giving up a little something. Is that out of the question? Or can everyone sacrifice for the good of the sport.
I'm just curious of how many people think this could make a difference, or if asking them to sacrifice is just out of the question.
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#231626 - 02/09/04 08:38 PM
Re: Wild Steelhead Kill Outlawed in WA for 2 Yrs!
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Spawner
Registered: 09/08/02
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Loc: des moines
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Cohoangler and JayDee You guys might find some interesting reading on this linc. www.msaj.com/papers/commfish.htm I found in there where the State made the tribes start using gill nets.Because there normal method killed to many fish.
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#231627 - 02/09/04 10:12 PM
Re: Wild Steelhead Kill Outlawed in WA for 2 Yrs!
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 06/04/03
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Loc: Brier, Washington
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So after 9 pages of wrangling I am having trouble coming to a conclusion. Some say that their way is the only way and if you don't agree you aren't worth talking to. Some say we shouldn't stop catching wild steelhead as long as the tribes keep killing them and some say we should quit keeping wild steelhead and turn a blind eye to the tribes harvest of those same wild fish. Some say SUE!!! Personally I think there is a bit of "in your face" in the commission's decision directed at WDFW for their embarassing end run asking for a tripling of ESA listed fish mortality. No matter who ends up being right and who ends up being wrong I think we can count on changes to come that we will argue about.
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#231628 - 02/09/04 10:34 PM
Re: Wild Steelhead Kill Outlawed in WA for 2 Yrs!
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I think you are right Grandpa.
Change has been forced and there will be much change. This is a 180 from current management and the entire idea as the book has been written in Washington State.
We will have much discussion about this and the change in management that comes.
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#231630 - 02/09/04 11:37 PM
Re: Wild Steelhead Kill Outlawed in WA for 2 Yrs!
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Juvenille at Sea
Registered: 02/19/03
Posts: 238
Loc: redmond wash
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so its goning to be c&r for wild fish so why dont they close it down on feb 28 like they do on the sky and snoqualmie????? wouldnt that make more sence then trying to figure out how many fish die from c&r
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#231632 - 02/10/04 01:50 AM
Re: Wild Steelhead Kill Outlawed in WA for 2 Yrs!
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Juvenille at Sea
Registered: 12/12/00
Posts: 186
Loc: Auburn, Wa, USA
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I have found this thread really interesting. I didn't grow up in steelhead country, and learned fish for them after I turned about 30. the guy who taught me was (still is) a nate bonker. And he's still a friend I'd fish with. I'll admit that I bonked all nates til 3 years ago when I found this forum. I'll put out a personal "THANK YOU" to Smalma, Salmo g, Vedder and Todd for putting out really well reasoned posts - and not flaming too badly after being flamed. It's guys like you - who know a LOT more about these things than I do - that really make this forum worthwhile. And I appreciate CFM for being so passionate but backing it up with data..... Where do you get it all? I don't post much, because I don't have a lot to contribute sometimes. But I'll tell you this, I never thought I'd get such joy out of releasing native steelhead. I always thought they were meant for the grill, but watching them swim away really is the coolest. You won't see me post "nate killers are scum" entries, because if it's legal I think it's still a matter of personal ethics. (not unlike the fact that I don't happen to think that hunting deer with a 300 super ultra maxi mag plus is all that chalenging. I's still legal and if you hunt that way, so be it.) Personaly, I don't mind the moratorium.... but I sure wish we could get the nets out of the water. I suspect (just my guess) that getting the nets out would do more god than this moratorium. Anyway, to those of you that are able to actually debate in a reasoned way, I salute you. You really help the guys like me think through these issues. Anybody know a good spot I can go CnR a few nates?????
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#231634 - 02/10/04 11:15 AM
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 06/14/00
Posts: 1828
Loc: Toledo, Washington
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#231641 - 02/10/04 04:35 PM
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 03/28/00
Posts: 222
Loc: Renton,WA
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So Wild Steelhead stocks are in trouble in most rivers in Washington, do we agree on this? I think the answer is yes.
So then I see folks here applauding a C&R state wide fishery where there is a mortality rate. Is the loss of fish due to C&R mortality acceptable or do you think a complete closure is a better idea?
You'll always have poachers that will get their fish anyway. Enforcement would be a lot easier with a total closure, I'm sure of this.
It almost seems that this was pushed through by a few special interest groups with their own agenda in mind and not the fish. If we really care about the fish shut it down and give them a real chance. No doubt this will hurt some communities and guides and that's not good, but sacrifices have to be made.
Please enlighten me if I'm off base here, but this is how I see it.
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