#249658 - 07/19/04 09:03 PM
Who Would Have Predicted..
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Fry
Registered: 01/27/03
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Tribes would get discounts on gasoline because they don't have to pay state taxes even though they use the same roads as other people. KING TV had funl with this one.
People who want to fish for sockeye in Lake Washington must wait from the Muckleshoot Tribe to decide whether there are enough fish for the sports folks.
The Muckleshoot Tribe would start branding their salmon in advertising as premium fish that are treated better than other fish and therefore more desirable.
The Tulalips honor the first chinook of the season by treating it with respect to ensure a good season. How? They kill it and eat it.
The same tribes that condemn clear cutting of forests go ahead and clear cut large areas by I5 and build casinos and big box stores.
One of the states that used to have huge fishing opportunities is changed to a state with 1 day fisheries, crab fisheries so limited you need a rulebook, clam fishing where private property owners cannot control access to their beaches.
Put thousands of people in a small area for 1 day and call it a "sport". Makes Nascar look better and better.
Chinook fishing is shut down with nary a peep from fishers while the hatcheries on the Sky have surplus.
And the state does what to help? Our state government is the best thing that ever happened to the charters in British Columbia and Alaska. Talk about an outflow of money. The West Coast of Vancouver Island looks like Neah Bay and Seiku used to.
What a shame we destroyed ourselves.
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#249659 - 07/19/04 11:37 PM
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Fry
Registered: 02/09/03
Posts: 26
Loc: Western Washington
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Steelie, As a native Washingtonian, I remember those days! You are right on!!!!!! Great post!
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#249662 - 07/20/04 12:41 PM
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Juvenille at Sea
Registered: 05/21/02
Posts: 208
Loc: Woodinville, WA
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Yes, there is something that can be done. Sportsfisherman must unite and demand more opportunities. We can fix this problem! We have 2 new groups that are doing just that: RFA Sportfishing PAC To be better informed on the issues, I would also recommend joining your local chapter of Puget Sound Anglers PSA The question is: Will the sportsfisherman of Washington do something about it or simply sit back and complain??
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#249663 - 07/20/04 01:22 PM
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Spawner
Registered: 09/28/01
Posts: 965
Loc: Seattle, Washington
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"And the state does what to help? Our state government is the best thing that ever happened to the charters in British Columbia and Alaska. Talk about an outflow of money. The West Coast of Vancouver Island looks like Neah Bay and Seiku used to."
Nice post steelie. I couldn't agree more with your statement. As CD Seattle pointed out there are things we can do and although I'm willing to pitch in and help make things happen at some point I decided it was just easier to take my money and head North.
I see lots of posts with people moaning and complaining and it makes me wonder if these same people are actually doing anything about the problem. IMO, putting time, effort and money into local initiatives is one way to help, but voting with your dollars is another.
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#249665 - 07/21/04 12:39 AM
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 03/07/99
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And to be informed of steelhead issues get involved and join the WSC at http://www.wildsteelheadcoalition.com/
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#249666 - 07/21/04 01:05 AM
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Juvenille at Sea
Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 132
Loc: Pierce County, Washington
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Originally posted by steeliefreak: I am from MI and it sounds like you guys on the west coast are loosing your fishery more and more every year. Isn't there anything that can be done? Yes, something can be done but since the democratic party has been bought by the tribes, nothing will be done.... Basically, for all the fishing runs to be saved, ALL tribal treaties must either be dissolved or renegotiated by the Senate and that isn't going to happen...
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#249668 - 07/21/04 10:47 AM
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Parr
Registered: 10/15/02
Posts: 58
Loc: noth bend
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Nice Indian bashing!
It's the population moving into Washington and the dirt they bring: cars,homes,yard and parking lot runoff,airplane factories and roads.
We are screwing this up;all of us!
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#249669 - 07/21/04 11:52 AM
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River Nutrients
Registered: 12/15/02
Posts: 4000
Loc: Ahhhhh, damn dog!
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While there are more people moving into this area, there are more people everywhere. None of these people have "special" rights that circimvent all others, and allow them to take more of our resources than the tribes.If you want to be one of "us" , then be one of us, and live by the same rules as everyone. But don't point the finger at people moving into the area as if they have degraded it, look no further than your tribal lands.................Fishy........... Lets level the playing field, then we can all be one.
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#249671 - 07/21/04 12:30 PM
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River Nutrients
Registered: 12/15/02
Posts: 4000
Loc: Ahhhhh, damn dog!
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Well said Steeliefreak................................Fishy.........
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The idea of a middle class life is slowly drifting away as each and every day we realize that our nation is becoming more of a corporatacracy.
I think name-calling is the right way to handle this one/Dan S
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#249672 - 07/21/04 12:57 PM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 03/24/99
Posts: 333
Loc: Carnation, wa
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mount10man who's been controling the senate and house for the last eight years?
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#249673 - 07/22/04 09:44 PM
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River Nutrients
Registered: 12/15/02
Posts: 4000
Loc: Ahhhhh, damn dog!
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Mount10man, To lay all of this blame on the Democratic party is just trying to incite political division amongst the fisherpeople on this board. I hope that most of the people that read your post realize that you are only trying to create more derision here. If your going to try and lay blame, at least be intelligent about it............Fishy..........
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The idea of a middle class life is slowly drifting away as each and every day we realize that our nation is becoming more of a corporatacracy.
I think name-calling is the right way to handle this one/Dan S
We're here from the WDFW and we're here to help--Uhh Ohh!
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#249674 - 07/22/04 09:49 PM
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Juvenille at Sea
Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 132
Loc: Pierce County, Washington
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Originally posted by Ron Bob: mount10man who's been controling the senate and house for the last eight years? Rob, for the US Senate to start renegotiating or invalidating a treaty, you need a supermajority of 60 votes. The Republicans only have 51 and only 48 would be considered as safe which means 12 votes shy... Oh, and the republicans have only controlled the Senate since 2002..........
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#249675 - 07/22/04 09:59 PM
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Juvenille at Sea
Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 132
Loc: Pierce County, Washington
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Originally posted by Somethingsmellsfishy: Mount10man, To lay all of this blame on the Democratic party is just trying to incite political division amongst the fisherpeople on this board. I hope that most of the people that read your post realize that you are only trying to create more derision here. If your going to try and lay blame, at least be intelligent about it............Fishy.......... Sorry Smelly but take a look at who the tribes give money to. It isn't Republicans. The Democrats receive more money from tribes than republicans do.....Geez, do you remember what they did to Slade Gorton in 2000? He fought them on fishing rights and they took him out.........Not laying out the blame, just the facts.............
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#249676 - 07/23/04 01:18 AM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 09/01/01
Posts: 354
Loc: Shoreline, Wa.
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Nothing will ever change until we elect a governor that likes to Hunt, Fish, Smoke Cigars, and Drink Beer. Cigar
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#249677 - 07/23/04 11:43 AM
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Juvenille at Sea
Registered: 05/27/04
Posts: 132
Loc: Pierce County, Washington
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Originally posted by Cigar: Nothing will ever change until we elect a governor that likes to Hunt, Fish, Smoke Cigars, and Drink Beer.
Cigar Damn right. I grew up in Montana where the majority of state and federal government employees scheduled their vacation time around hunting and fishing.....
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