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#258760 - 10/22/04 10:03 PM Arnold stands up to the tribe
barnettm Offline
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Registered: 07/12/02
Posts: 614
Loc: Maple Valley, Wa.
.......and is accused of being a racist. Sound familar??? Below is excerpt from article.
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LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, under fire from American Indians for telling voters that tribes were "ripping off" the state with their casinos, refused on Friday to back down.


Schwarzenegger has invoked the "rip off" theme as he campaigns against a Nov. 2 ballot measure, called Proposition 70, that would permit rapid expansion of Indian casinos in California and side-step the governor's effort to manage them.


"Read my lips: The Indian gaming tribes behind Proposition 70 are trying to rip off California. I will say it again and again and again," a defiant Schwarzenegger said in Los Angeles. "That's why they are upset. Because the truth hurts."


Supporters of Proposition 70, which is funded largely by Indian gaming tribes, responded by calling Schwarzenegger's position racist.


"The governor's repeated use of racial remarks against Native Americans is wrong and only increases racial tensions in California," the Yes on 70 campaign said in a written statement. "Schwarzenegger says he can bring Indian tribes to the table, but with his racial remarks he's just pushing them away."


Earlier this week, a lobbying group for Indian gaming tribes demanded an apology from Schwarzenegger, saying that they share revenue with non-gaming tribes, donate money to charity and provide local governments with money for road improvements and public services.


Some Indian activists called the remark racist, saying that it taps into a deep vein of hostility that dates back to the migration to the U.S. West.


Indian casinos have become more numerous in the United States since key court rulings and new laws favorable to the tribes in the 1980s. That expansion has helped some tribes rise from poverty, but it also triggered a backlash.


Schwarzenegger made casino payments to the state an issue in his run for governor last year, saying tribes were not paying their fair share.


Schwarzenegger earlier this year struck a deal with five tribes to guarantee payments by Indians, who have a monopoly on slot machines. Proposition 70 would nullify that deal and set the payments at the corporate rate of 8.84 percent.


It also would allow tribes to sign contracts with the state to operate as many slot machines as they want on their land and introduce roulette and craps, which are now banned in California.

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#258761 - 10/22/04 11:01 PM Re: Arnold stands up to the tribe
Nebb Offline
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Registered: 02/26/00
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Well, I guess that's it!!! I'm racist also!!!!!

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#258762 - 10/22/04 11:17 PM Re: Arnold stands up to the tribe
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ditto!!

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#258763 - 10/23/04 12:23 AM Re: Arnold stands up to the tribe
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If the indians are ripping off California they are absolutely raping Washington state. Casinos are just one way they rip off every other citizen of this state. Fish and shellfish greed is yet another. Take take take.....no limit in sight either.
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#258764 - 10/23/04 01:31 AM Re: Arnold stands up to the tribe
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Registered: 01/13/03
Posts: 86
Loc: snoqualmie wa
Man I wish we had him up here running for office, it would be great to have someone that had the nads to stand up to the tribes instead of giving into them every time . He would win by a landslide !

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#258765 - 10/23/04 03:30 AM Re: Arnold stands up to the tribe
cupo Offline
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Registered: 06/18/03
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Loc: north sound
Makes Locke look like an even bigger ***** than usual.

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#258766 - 10/23/04 09:40 AM Re: Arnold stands up to the tribe
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Quote:
Originally posted by seaweedsam:
Man I wish we had him up here running for office, it would be great to have someone that had the nads to stand up to the tribes instead of giving into them every time . He would win by a landslide !


Hmmmm...wonder if we could bribe him to move up here???

Does Arnie like to fish?

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#258767 - 10/23/04 11:29 AM Re: Arnold stands up to the tribe
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Registered: 12/15/02
Posts: 4000
Loc: Ahhhhh, damn dog!
You guys have got it all wrong! The people of california have got it all wrong too!
The tribes are the ones that are racists, the definition of racism is for one race to think that they are better, deserve more than other and are entitled to be treated better than the rest of society. So I don't see myself as racist, I would call myself an EQUALIST. I just want an equal playingfield
Vote I-892 in and get some equality, those that think we need to give something back to the tribes (for whatever reason) can go and take their money to the tribal facilities.......................For me, I'll keep mine. ........Fishy.
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#258768 - 10/23/04 12:02 PM Re: Arnold stands up to the tribe
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OMG - You guys are amazing.

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#258769 - 10/23/04 05:11 PM Re: Arnold stands up to the tribe
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PNW.....I can almost here your tom toms beating from here......What is amazing is the unbridled greed of the tribes.
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#258770 - 10/23/04 10:06 PM Re: Arnold stands up to the tribe
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Registered: 01/02/03
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Loc: Mill Creek, WA
There should be absolutely no difference on how you are treated by the Governement whether you are Asian, Black, Hispanic, White OR INDIAN!

Every man, woman, woman-man or man-woman should PAY their fair share of taxes, allowed to catch the same amount of fish by using the same gear, be arrested the same if a crime has been commited, be promoted on merit & experience alone, given scholarships based on grades & community involvement/volunteering, etc.

We will only perpetuate racism, woes-me-ism

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#258771 - 10/23/04 10:10 PM Re: Arnold stands up to the tribe
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Grandpa - Should I expect a burning cross in my yard now?

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#258772 - 10/23/04 10:37 PM Re: Arnold stands up to the tribe
fuzzy Offline
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Registered: 08/24/04
Posts: 101
Loc: port orchard
well said full freezer
well said

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#258773 - 10/24/04 02:23 PM Re: Arnold stands up to the tribe
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Registered: 11/30/00
Posts: 127
Loc: Port Angeles, WA
I'm with full freezer on this one. No more apologies, time to move onward and upward.
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#258774 - 10/24/04 03:29 PM Re: Arnold stands up to the tribe
LukeH Offline
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Registered: 07/23/04
Posts: 13
Loc: Bellingham
Quote:
Originally posted by grandpa:
PNW.....I can almost here your tom toms beating from here......What is amazing is the unbridled greed of the tribes.
(Racism)
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

I would consider greed part of human character. To generalize and say that the tribes are greedy goes a bit to far. People are greedy, not entire communities. There will always be people at the top wanting more than they need regardless of race.

I'm all for moving forward, but that will be a tricky situation. As long as there are so many people on either side of the fence I don't believe it will happen.

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#258775 - 10/25/04 01:17 AM Re: Arnold stands up to the tribe
Full Freezer Offline
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Registered: 01/02/03
Posts: 145
Loc: Mill Creek, WA
Oh, it will, maybe not in our lifetime. Things will definitely change because it has to. Just like slavery, voting rights etc. They change because it will eventually come to a head where something has got to give. This inequality of allowing people groups to have what others don't or be given things that others can't have because of race will change.

How does that Rush song go? Pleuce sa chonge, pleuce sa la menchonge- (sp/french) Translation=The more we change, the more we stay the same.



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#258776 - 10/26/04 03:10 PM Re: Arnold stands up to the tribe
JacobF Offline
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Registered: 01/03/01
Posts: 797
Loc: Post Falls, ID
Quote:
Originally posted by Full Freezer:

As Arnold would say.... "Are you a MAN? or are you a special interest group member?"
Correction, Arnold would say, "Are you a MAN or a special interest group GIRLY member?"

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