On my next visit to San Francisco, I think I'll walk into the ladies shower room at the YWCA and take a gander.

To deny me entrance would be blatant sex descrimination and I KNOW the mayor would not stand for that....

Before I go to bed tonight I thought I would weigh in on gay marriege. What does it mean to be gay? Hopping through the tulips like a bunny in a "gay" sort of way....NOOOO

It means one man humping another man or performing oral sex on the other man. mmmmm that sounds really great! All I know is that I don't think the anus is an in hole but an outhole.

I don't think marriage was designed to sanctify violation of inholes by same sex deviates. I think it was designed for a man and a woman.
Sorry all you Howard Dean fans....Just the way I see it.

Call it what it is: PERVERTED!!!

Here comes trouble.

Conservatives and their hypocrisy always amaze me. They want less government regulation, but they want the government to regulate people's sex lives and morals. Want less taxes, but full services. Pro life, but pro death penalty. Want to fish and hunt, but don't want to protect the land and rivers to do those things.

Bottom line on this issue seems to be the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, "equal protection." I am not sure how you can justify treating people unequally when it comes to marriage without using some moral/religious grounds to do so. Morality can be left to religions that can decide whether or not to condone such marriages. Or would the conservatives also rather have the government interferring in religion too?

Can someone really support a ban on gay marriage without using morals or religion or bigoted rationalization in light of the our Constitution? This is my challenge to everyone for the day.

read this again: pull your grammer book out of your ass, put down your challenge again and you may get a serious response.

Meanwhile I throw this out: Would it be OK if I marry my dog? He is my best friend and companion and I love him very much.

I guess I will try to answer your admittedly non-serious response.

Equal protection under the 14th Amendment does not extend to, and has never been applied to, your dog. This issue deals with people who are guaranteed equal protection under the law.

OK no dogs, can I marry my sister? I love her.

Brant,

Do you support NAMBLA?

"Conservatives and their hypocrisy always amaze me. They want less government regulation, but they want the government to regulate people's sex lives and morals. Want less taxes, but full services. Pro life, but pro death penalty. Want to fish and hunt, but don't want to protect the land and rivers to do those things. "

Are these comparisons supposed to be serious? For example, are you really suggesting that killing an innocent baby (murder) is equal to killing a convicted murderer (justice)?? And I know many conservatives who actively work to protect the land and rivers and fish. You've lost credibility right off the bat by using such a broad paint brush and illogical comparisons.

What specific 'equal protections' are we talking about here?

What about the American people's right to protect the institution of marriage? Marriage plays an important part in our country's social structure and it is being attacked in enough directions already (as evident in the divorce rate). Just look at how the media\liberals continues to dilute and mock marriage in the rash of new "reality" shows, TV, and movies. If American's want to save marriage as a special and meaningful family bond for their children and grand children, we need to take a stand -not just againt gay "marriage", but against the continued assault on marriage and the traditional family in general.

If it's legal rights they want, let them find another way...

Marriage to a family member or kids is not the issue here. These things bring up public safety issues and involve people with no capacity to make a choice. This is about two non-related, consenting adults and their rights to be free of state control over their lives.

"Justice" is not always equal. Lots of people executed in this country didn't get fair justice. Look at attorneys sleeping in Texas, for example.

Equal protection I am talking about is:

Amendment XIV

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

If that provision of the Constitution has meaning, the government should recognize unions between consenting adults and leave it to others to regulate morals.

Some of my tirades might have been overly broad and I dont mean them to address everyone.

Attorneys sleeping is a seperate issue. They should be prosecuted to the fullest. The system will never be perfect - but I don't want to start a hole seperate topic

Are we talking about civil unions or marriage? Are we trying to equate the two?

A brother and sister could easily be consenting adults who fell in love. Do we have the right to stop them from marriage?

That amendment doesn't say anything about consenting adults. Brant said that. There is nothing in this amendment (that he is hanging his hat on) to preclude the activities of NAMBLA, sleeping lawyers, brother/sister weddings, or men in ladies shower rooms.

Is there anywhere in the world other than the USA where this idiocy is even being considered?

Yes. Gay marriage is legally recognized in Amsterdam.

Amsterdam great. imagine the possibilites

I thought maybe Amsterdam....and possibly France or Sweden.

Is there any major religion that embraces homosexuality? I am asking because I am curious. I learned recently that the Rastafarians have NO tolerance for it.

Christianity - NO
Islam - NO
Jews - NO
Hindu - ?
Buddhism - ?

Made a pass at a young Rastafarian boy, did ya?


Aunty-- careful now, that borders on Socialism. There's some here that just don't stand for no talk like that.

GoH,

Naw, I was watching a story on Bob Marley. Peace, love, ganja, Jah, but NO gay stuff.

(Homosexuality is illegal in Jamaica)

Aunty - I think you have very valid points, and I agree there is a lot of common sense in your examples.

But leave marriage alone. It is a unique relationship with some boundries that most americans appreciate.

Head of household, civil unions, life partners, etc - fine, just don't keep diluting and minimizing the importants of marriage in our society.

I'd like to see some of those special interest tax dollars going to programs in schools that teach kids (and adults) the value of the skills to have lasting relationships. People seem to think it is common sense and doesn't need to be taught, but if all our kids have to teach them about relationships is MTV, movies, TV shows - then it's no wonder marriage is on a downward spiral. Thankfully there are still lots of strong families out there providing good examples and know how to raise there kids and how to maintain strong and lasting relationships built on commitments and not just feelings.

PhishPhreak, are you sure you want us unionized, liberal teacher types instilling moral values on your kids. Wouldn't it be a better situation if this was taught at home or at church on Sunday. Schools have enough on their plate, what with all the testing, ESL, BD, LD, HD etc. not mention the three R's

"PhishPhreak, are you sure you want us unionized, liberal teacher types instilling moral values on your kids. Wouldn't it be a better situation if this was taught at home or at church on Sunday. Schools have enough on their plate, what with all the testing, ESL, BD, LD, HD etc. not mention the three R's"

There is a lot of useless testing and subjects in schools that could be cut\replaced... Heck no I don't want shools trying to teach morals (they already do - in many ways) - but I'm talking about some basic life skills that they can use in their relationships - whether it be in their families or careers. Communication\relationship skills - seperate from specific religion or sexual preference.... (why do you think 'Dr Phil' is so popular the last few years - there is a true gap and need - not that he is the answer...)

Most kids don't go to church or have parents at home to talk to. Some do, many don't. I have my kids covered, but as a society and community, I'm concerned about those kids left to 'figure it out on their own'.