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#273650 - 10/20/04 04:24 PM Gun owners and hunters
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Any of you lefties hunt?


Vote your gun Doug Giles October 16, 2004

As a proud gun owner and hunter of everything from Texas whitetails to South African wildebeests, to me, Kerry’s anti-gun voting history and his anti-hunting backers are more scary than the 256-pound charging wild boar I shot at a mere ten feet.

In addition to the mondo problems I have with Kerry’s uberliberal senatorial voting record, his DD augmented recollections of his tour of duty in Vietnam, his “let’s appease the terrorists” plan, his undulating Euro-booty kissing, another big reason I am decisively blowing Kerry off is because I prize the time I get to spend shooting, hunting and gun collecting. Kerry and his supporting cast want to tread on my pursuit of cordite happiness and I don’t like it.

Gun owners and hunters, don’t let Kerry fool you with his “I’m a gun owner and hunter and I respect the Second Amendment” bovine scatology. Kerry is about as pro-gun and pro-hunting as I am pro-Dixie Chicks, Michael Jackson, Cat Stevens and Hans Blix. Have you seen any video or stills of Kerry handling a gun? He looks about as knowledgeable, natural and comfortable with a firearm as Al Gore does trying to French kiss Tipper.

And what about Kerry’s comments on deer and dove hunting? Regarding deer hunting, Kerry said, “I go out with my trusty 12 gauge double barrel. I crawl around on my stomach. I track and I move and decoy and play games and try to outsmart them. You know, kind of play the wind. That’s hunting,” (Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, July 4th, 2004.)

Come on, deer hunters, you know this guy is trying to sell uncut China white smack to the brain-softened public. Who? … who? ... hunts deer like that? First of all … very few hunters use a double barrel twelve gauge to hunt deer, and I guarantee Kerry’s not one of them. Secondly, when Kerry talks about crawling on his belly, playing the wind, decoying and trying to out smart them … I think he is confusing what he’s done to voters during his campaign with viable tactics used for deer hunting. Please, Kerry, toss us some intellectual respect. Who do you think we are … Teresa Heinz? And while you’re at it, Senator, I, for one, need photographic, eye-witnessed and filled-deer-tag proof from you, Johnny Boy, before I will your take your tips on deer hunting.

Then we have JFK on dove hunting. Check it out: “you clean them, let them hang … you might eat it at a picnic, cold roasted,” (Washington Post, June 1, 2003.) Let them hang? Might eat it at a picnic cold roasted? Since when did dove meat turn into pemmican or biltong that you hang in the sun before you eat it? You let a dove breast hang out in the sun and you will not be eating it at a picnic.

No doubt my liberal reflexively irate critics will think I’m making much ado about nothing. However, for a Texas redneck like me, it is just another example of Kerry selling crapola in his Bostonian attempt to fool the television eye-glazed zombie-like sheeple into voting for his concaved glutes two weeks from now.

Like everything else with Kerry one has to go to the record to see who he is and what he will more than likely do if … God forbid … he gets into the Whitehouse. So … here we go … to the record.

· Kerry voted in 2004 to ban most center-fire rifle ammunition, including the most common rounds used by deer hunters, siding with Ted Kennedy, and said in a CNN interview, "I think you ought to tax all ammunition more, personally, I think you ought to tax guns." ("Late Edition," Nov. 7, 1993);

· Kerry cast numerous votes to ban guns, and currently is a co-sponsor of S. 1431, which would ban all semi-automatic shotguns, all semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines, and many other guns commonly used by sportsmen;

· Kerry voted to effectively shut down gun shows in America; voted to hold firearm manufacturers responsible for the acts of criminals; and voted 11 times to impose waiting periods on law-abiding gun buyers;

· Kerry has a 100% voting record with, and earned the endorsement of the Brady Campaign (Formerly Handgun Control, Inc.)—a group that says you have no right to own any gun. And, he repeatedly earns the support of PETA and the Humane Society of the United States—groups who openly want to ban all hunting in America.

President Bush, on the other hand, has:

· The Bush Administration stated "that the text and original intent of the Second Amendment clearly protect the right of individuals to keep and bear firearms," reversing the Clinton Administration position that the Second Amendment only applies to state militias;

· President Bush sent representatives to the United Nations with a clear message: we will not allow the UN to impose international regulations that would violate the Second Amendment and infringe on our sovereignty;

· George W. Bush respects America's sporting and hunting heritage. His administration signed an agreement with 17 major sportsmen's organizations to improve hunting and fishing access to Federal lands, and initiated a conservation agenda to protect millions of acres of forest, wetlands, and grasslands for future generations of hunters;

· As President, he gave money to prosecute federal gun crimes through Project Safe Neighborhoods and signed a national Right-to-Carry law for law enforcement officers;

· President Bush knows that holding the American firearm industry responsible for the acts of criminals is wrong. That's why he supported the "Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act," to prevent reckless lawsuits against lawful American businesses. (Source : http://www.nrapvf.com; 10/13/04)

Gun owners and hunters, this is not an election that you can blow off.

My ClashPoint is this: Kerry is the biggest anti-gun-presidential-wannabe in our nation’s history. Period. Kerry has voted against gun owners 50-plus times in the U.S. Senate and he is Playmate of the Year for PETA and the Humane Society, two of the most rabid anti-hunting organizations in America. Don’t let Kerry’s shotgun-wielding photo ops or Edwards’s “We’re pro-gun” blather blind you from their past voting record and future designs.
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#273652 - 10/20/04 04:31 PM Re: Gun owners and hunters
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This information comes from the NRA American Hunter November 2004 and is properly footnoted. See page 65-66 of that issue.

1) Kerry Co-sponsors a bill that would ban all semi-automatic shotguns and detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles, a gigantic step toward bringing Australian-style gun control to the the US.

2) Kerry says, "I think you ought to tax all ammunition, personally, I think you ought to tax guns."

3) Kerry has voted nine times in favor of banning semi-auto firearms.

4) Kerry has voted for a Ted Kennedy amendment to ban most center-fire rifle ammunition, including the most common rounds used by hunters and target shooters.

5) Kerry has voted to close off hundreds of thousands of acres of the California Mojave Desert to Hunting.

6) Kerry has voted to hold the highly regulated American Firearms industry legally responsible for illegal acts of violent criminals.

7) Kerry was one of only 18 Senators to oppose the Firearms Owners' Protection Act, which ended alarming abuses being committed under the 1968 Gun Control Act.

8) Kerry was on of only 29 senators to vote to prohibit gun manufacturers from discharging debts. created by the reckless lawsuit filed by municipalities.

9) Kerry has voted to allow BATF to conduct unlimited warrantees inspections of FFL holders.

10) Kerry has voted to criminalize legal sales between private individuals at gun shows.

11) Kerry has voted to impose penalties of a year in prison and $10,000. fine on an adult if a juvenile steals a firearm from him, and then merely displays it in a public place.

12) Kerry has voted to force many small firearms dealers out of business, which would have impacted both the availability and price of guns, particularly in rural areas.

13) Kerry voted 11 times to force law abiding citizens to wait to exercise there Second Amendment rights. He voted to keep the federal waiting period after the National Instant Check System was in place.

14) Kerry voted twice to eliminate the Civilian Marksmanship Program.

15) Kerry wants to silence gun owner's voices. When NRA sought the same exemption from campaign finance rules that news organizations have, Kerry called that effort "hijacking America's airwaves."

16) Kerry commended the Million Mom March for their march on Washington that included calls for gun owner licensing, gun registration and the other restrictions on Law-abiding gun owners.

17) If elected president, Kerry will pack the U.S. Supreme Court with Dianne Feinstein/Chuck Schumer/Ted Kennedy-selected anti-gun activists who believe you have no right to own any firearms.
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#273654 - 10/21/04 01:16 PM Re: Gun owners and hunters
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Quote:
Originally posted by Elvis:
Any of you lefties hunt?
Fox News reported that Kerry went goose hunting the other morning and bagged four geese.
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#273655 - 10/21/04 01:24 PM Re: Gun owners and hunters
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I saw that. Funny there are no pictures ever of him hunting prior to this campaign. He does not fool any avid hunter just wanna bes like himself.
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#273656 - 10/23/04 12:01 AM Re: Gun owners and hunters
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Funny there's no pictures of Bush with any gun prior to him being president. The only one I've seen since he was appointed doesn't even look like he's hunting - just a simple photo-op conjured up by the NRA to convince the ig-nent to support him.
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#273658 - 10/26/04 11:14 AM Re: Gun owners and hunters
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VOTE YOUR GUN.... thats about the most single narrow minded statement I can think of. Is Chuck Heston your president ???? And yes, I have several guns... but can't think of a reason that I need an AK47.
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#273659 - 10/26/04 11:16 AM Re: Gun owners and hunters
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"And yes, I have several guns... but can't think of a reason that I need an AK47. "

That says all that needs to be said about your knowledge.
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#273660 - 10/26/04 11:28 AM Re: Gun owners and hunters
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I saw that, finally a gun in the hands of an AWOL COWARD! Not that he would have actually carried one into battle, which he so impatiently sent so many of our troops to be killed. Talk about the ultimate flip flopper.
It's embarrassing to Have to acknowledge that he is the leader of our country,though not for long.......................Fishy.
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#273661 - 10/26/04 04:23 PM Re: Gun owners and hunters
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O.K- Elvis... give us a reason that everyone should own an AK47- Your as goofy as a football batt- can't wait to hear what you come up with. I am sure it will a excellent rant type of affair.
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#273662 - 10/26/04 04:31 PM Re: Gun owners and hunters
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The constitution does not make any provision as to type of gun.
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#273663 - 10/26/04 04:39 PM Re: Gun owners and hunters
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It does not say anything about gays getting married either so I guess we can all assume your all for that also. Whats it say about abortion ??? I am pretty sure it does not mention which people can and which people can't have nuke weapons.... hell, maybe they could sell those at wall mart.
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#273664 - 10/26/04 05:11 PM Re: Gun owners and hunters
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Stick wins guns.

How does an AK 47 kill a person any more than a .30.06? Maybe it's the person behind the gun and not the gun? Did that ever cross your mind.
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#273665 - 10/26/04 05:43 PM Re: Gun owners and hunters
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The "person behind the gun" can shoot a lot more people in a shorter time with an AK 47 than they can with a .30.06.

Constitution also links gun ownership to "well regulated" militia membership. This is something the strict constructionists often overlook.

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#273666 - 10/26/04 05:49 PM Re: Gun owners and hunters
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Hey Brant I can tell you do not know much about guns. caliber has zero to do with it for one. All Semi autos shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger and as many rounds as you can have in a clip. If full autos where available they would be the same.
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#273667 - 10/26/04 07:05 PM Re: Gun owners and hunters
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Well, Elvis, I guess you don't know much about guns, either. True AK-47s being fully automatic shoot just a tad faster than semi-autos.


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#273668 - 10/26/04 07:12 PM Re: Gun owners and hunters
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Well Harley I quess you are just a spoonful short from being a full fledged dipshiat. You cannot buy fully automatic AK's legally in the US. You can alter them to be fully automatic however. But then you can also own certain fully automatic weapons that are pre ban that make the Ak look like a slingshot.
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#273669 - 10/26/04 07:23 PM Re: Gun owners and hunters
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Quote:
Originally posted by Theking:

But then you can also own certain fully automatic weapons that are pre ban that make the Ak look like a slingshot.
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I would trade my a AK-47 (7.62 x 39) for a modified (legal) Browning Automatic Rifle~BAR--(.30/06) anyday!


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#273670 - 10/26/04 07:32 PM Re: Gun owners and hunters
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RB SHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! don't interupt Harleys wet dream \:D
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#273671 - 10/28/04 03:45 AM Re: Gun owners and hunters
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John Kerry Wants to Ban Guns in America
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http://www.nrapvf.org/Kerry/default.aspx

Friday, September 10, 2004


View the ad John Kerry`s two-decade long U.S. Senate record of opposing Second Amendment rights makes him the most anti-gun presidential nominee in history! Here's the proof.

FACT: Kerry co-sponsors a bill that would ban all semi-automatic shotguns and detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles, a gigantic step toward bringing Australian-style gun control to the U.S.1

FACT: Kerry says, "I think you ought to tax all ammunition, personally, I think you ought to tax guns."2

FACT: Kerry has voted nine times in favor of banning semi-auto firearms.3

FACT: Kerry has voted for a Ted Kennedy amendment to ban most center-fire rifle ammunition, including the most common rounds used by hunters and target shooters.4

FACT: Kerry has voted to close off hundreds of thousands of acres of the California Mojave Desert to hunting.5


FACT:Kerry has voted to hold the highly regulated American firearms industry legally responsible for the illegal acts of violent criminals.6
FACT: Kerry was one of only 18 Senators to oppose the Firearms Owners` Protection Act, which ended alarming abuses being committed under the 1968 Gun Control Act.7

FACT:Kerry was one of only 29 Senators to vote to prohibit gun manufacturers from discharging debts created by the reckless lawsuits filed by municipalities.8

FACT:Kerry has voted to allow BATF to conduct unlimited warrantless inspections of FFL holders.9

FACT: Kerry has voted to criminalize legal sales between private individuals at gun shows.10

FACT: Kerry has voted to impose penalties of a year in prison and a $10,000 fine on an adult if a juvenile steals a firearm from him, and then merely displays it in a public place.11


FACT: Kerry has voted to force many small firearms dealers out of business, which would have impacted both the availability and price of guns, particularly in rural areas.12

FACT: Kerry has voted 11 times to force law-abiding citizens to wait to exercise their Second Amendment rights. He voted to keep the federal waiting period after the National Instant Check System was in place.13

FACT: Kerry voted twice to eliminate the Civilian Marksmanship Program.14

FACT: Kerry wants to silence gun owners` voices. When NRA sought the same exemption from campaign finance rules that news organizations have, Kerry called that effort "hijacking America`s airwaves."15

FACT: Kerry commended the Million Mom March for their march on Washington that included calls for gun owner licensing, gun registration and other restrictions on law-abiding gun owners.16

FACT: John Kerry has a 100% voting record with, and earned the endorsement of the Brady Campaign (Formerly Handgun Control, Inc.)—a group that says you have no right to own any gun. And, he repeatedly earns the support of PETA and the Humane Society of the United States—groups who openly want to ban all hunting in America.

If elected president, Kerry will pack the U.S. Supreme Court with Dianne Feinstein/Chuck Schumer/Ted Kennedy-selected anti-gun activists who believe you have no right to own any firearm.


Defend Firearms. Defeat Kerry.
Vote November 2.

For more information on John Kerry, please visit http://www.nrapvf.org

1. Signed on as co-sponsor of S. 1431 on Nov. 21, 2003.

2. CNN "Late Edition," Nov. 7, 1993.

3. Vote No. 24, March 2, 2004; Vote No. 295, Aug. 25, 1994; Vote No. 294, Aug. 25, 1994; Vote No. 293, Aug. 25, 1994; Vote No. 375, Nov. 17, 1993; Vote No. 365, Nov. 9, 1993; Vote No. 133, June 28, 1990; Vote No. 103, May 23, 1990; Vote No. 102, May 23, 1990.

4. Vote No. 28, March 2, 2004.

5. Vote No. 87, April 12, 1994.

6. Vote No. 24, March 2, 2004; Vote No. 25, March 2, 2004 ("poison pill" amendments).

7. Vote No. 142, July 9, 1985.

8. Vote No. 4, Feb. 2, 2000.

9. Vote No. 140, July 9, 1985.

10. Vote No. 134, May 20, 1999; Vote No. 25, March 2, 2004.

11. Vote No. 118, May 14, 1999; Vote No. 224, July 22, 1998.

12. Vote No. 227, July 30, 1993.

13. Vote No. 141, July 9, 1985; Vote No. 115, June 28, 1991; Vote No. 113, June 28, 1991; Vote No. 278, Nov. 27, 1991; Vote No. 53, Mar. 19, 1992; Vote No. 262, Oct. 2, 1992; Vote No. 385, Nov. 19, 1993; Vote No. 386, Nov. 19, 1993; Vote No. 387, Nov. 19, 1993; Vote No. 390, Nov. 19, 1993; Vote No. 394, Nov. 20, 1993.

14. Vote No. 325 Oct. 12, 1993; Vote No. 178, June 27, 1996.

15. Vote No. 64, April 2, 2001; "Kerry asks FEC to Block NRA Channel," AP, Dec. 9, 2003.

16. Vote No. 104, May 17, 2000.
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#273672 - 10/28/04 08:04 AM Re: Gun owners and hunters
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I don't want an AK-47 but I have a Browning 300 win mag auto......I keep it on the wall in case the Muslims start moving to Brier
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