hehe...Rory posts from the Wekly Standard. an e-rag featuring such insightful and scientificly accurate stories as "Darwnists, what they just dont understand about intelligent design theory".

Oh well if your ultra right wing conservative mag says so then by all means case closed. Forget the congressional commissions report or Dumbass himself saying there was no connection, i beleieve that rag that thinks dinosaur bones were planted by satan to trick man.

Hahaha! State avg IQ by election results....

State Avg. IQ 2004
1 Connecticut 113 Kerry
2 Massachusetts 111 Kerry
3 New Jersey 111 Kerry
4 New York 109 Kerry
5 Rhode Island 107 Kerry
6 Hawaii 106 Kerry
7 Maryland 105 Kerry
8 New Hampshire 105 Kerry
9 Illinois 104 Kerry
10 Delaware 103 Kerry
11 Minnesota 102 Kerry
12 Vermont 102 Kerry
13 Washington 102 Kerry
14 California 101 Kerry
15 Pennsylvania 101 Kerry
16 Maine 100 Kerry
17 Virginia 100 Bush
18 Wisconsin 100 Kerry
19 Colorado 99 Bush
20 Iowa 99 Bush
21 Michigan 99 Kerry
22 Nevada 99 Bush
23 Ohio 99 Bush
24 Oregon 99 Kerry
25 Alaska 98 Bush
26 Florida 98 Bush
27 Missouri 98 Bush
28 Kansas 96 Bush
29 Nebraska 95 Bush
30 Arizona 94 Bush
31 Indiana 94 Bush
32 Tennessee 94 Bush
33 North Carolina 93 Bush
34 West Virginia 93 Bush
35 Arkansas 92 Bush
36 Georgia 92 Bush
37 Kentucky 92 Bush
38 New Mexico 92 Bush
39 North Dakota 92 Bush
40 Texas 92 Bush
41 Alabama 90 Bush
42 Louisiana 90 Bush
43 Montana 90 Bush
44 Oklahoma 90 Bush
45 South Dakota 90 Bush
46 South Carolina 89 Bush
47 Wyoming 89 Bush
48 Idaho 87 Bush
49 Utah 87 Bush
50 Mississippi 85 Bush


Its a hoax, but dam is that funny. The hoax was so beleivable that the Economist ran the story and later had to retract.hehehe.....

AM,

I am looking for the conspiracy theory translation software. I know if I can phrase the truth in the form of a conspiracy theory you would jump on over it like a free meal

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"Iraq bombed the wtc"

Can you please show me an actual person who beleives this?


Are you saying the people who live farther from the city are not as smart as those who live in the city? Should we compare the success of smaller suburban schools vs inner city schools?
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*sigh. Phish you are the dude who asked me to show yu Bush was bad for sport fishing. Did you read the links I posted i response to your querry? Do you still think Bush isnt bad for salmon?

Now to answer your questions in this thread:
Can you please show me an actual person who beleives this?

"Polling data show that right after Sept. 11, 2001,
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Chives - you are almost good at dogding questions...

I'm glad you brought up the good ole Bush - Salmon discussion.... Funny thing is, several of those articles covered the same topics. Double dipping... But that aside, I asked you to show me a specific impact to your personal fishing. You couldn't do it. Instead, you posted some various enviro weeny articles spun in a way to shed a poor light on the Bush admin with statements like "the Bush admin is TRYING...", "...this could impact....", yada yada.

Show me how YOU personally are impacted. How is your favorite river and the fish in it impacted by a specific thing attributed to Bush?? Don't quote me articles. Give me your personal experience and evidence.

Now I'm never going to tell anyone that Bush is the enviro President that PETA and the Sierra Club have been praying to Mother Earth for. That would be as dumb as suggestiong Clinton was the first back president


So back to the topic at hand...

Once again, I asked YOU (not some poll) to show me a specific person who would say "Iraq bombed wtc".

As for schools - I have a feeling that if you could choose between having your kids attend a school in North Bend, WA or an inner city school in Seattle... well, you may really be that crazy...

IQ scores? LOL

Actually AM it's a language barrier we have just not found an effective tool for translating from rooster to hen. It is all evolutions fault . Women used to think like men. But after millions of years of squatting to pee your perspective has changed or morphed no mutated is a better term.

AuntyM, Chives or any other 'enlightened' Liberals out there,

When did President Bush ever say that Saddam or Iraq were responsible for 9/11?

All the Lib's continuley suggest that he did (and in doing so lied to the American people), but I haven't seen one verifyable quote attributed to him where he actually made such an allegation.

I'm always willing to look at new evidence, and if presented effectively I can be persuaded~however if the 'Bush lied-People died/No Blood for Oil Man/Suburu Stationwagon driving' crowd doesn't offer up some actually evidence that proves Bush did say that Saddam/Iraq were responsible for 9/11 they need to get off the pot already (litterally and figuratively) and find a new theme song.

AM,

"ties to" does NOT mean any responsibility "for." It can quite easily mean any "indirect" connection. Period. "

We have killed or captured 1000's with ties to Al Queda. We have said we will pursue those with ties to AL Queda. they did not have to do anything. Just being at a camp etc. is enough for a trip to Club Gitmo. That standard has been used here for many years with the war on organized crime and the war on drugs.
Zawquari lived in Iraq for the last 15 years. With the protection of Sadam. He is tied to Sadam and he is tied to Al Queda. I bet we kill him the first chane we get or send him to the club.

"Not all women squat to pee either. You sure lead a sheltered life TK."

Certainly the majority do. A friend of mine dated a girl that hung out with us in college she could pee over the hood of my camaro. We called her the little man. You can see her in any warren miller movie filmed in the 80's.


I do know that the new age sensative guys are bowing to their wives wishes and sitting down vs standing up.

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Good for you--you're not a vegan and you like to fish so despite our political differences your OK in my book.
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I've just noticed that almost without exception, every time I see a Suburu Stationwagon in Seattle it has interesting bumper stickers on it like:

Vote Your Vagina!
P.E.T.A
Kerry/Edwards '04 (covering up a Kusinich '04 bs)
Darwin walking fish
Screw Abstinence--NARAL
Re-Elect Ron Sims
No Iraq War
Re-Elect Jim McDermott

And I've never once seen a N.R.A. bumper sticker on a Suburu Stationwagon so I just thought it was like the official car of the far left leaning crowd--if I'm wrong I apologize.

"Once again, I asked YOU (not some poll) to show me a specific person who would say "Iraq bombed wtc"."

-dude this is the internet. You want me to point over there to Cletus standing at the bus stop and "show" you someone who beleives that? How the hell am I gonna "show" you anything over the net? Want me to post a pic of one of the toothless goobers who beleives that tripe? I "showed" you a poll in which 44 percent of americans beleived the hijackers were Iraqi. You can choose not to beleive that if you want but dont ask me to show you someone in the flesh. You gonna invite me and a dozen Bush voters over for dinner so I can "show" you one of these idiots? They are out there and they are BUsh voters, these people who beleive "we'd all be speaking Iraqi bu now if it werent for Dubya".


As for Bush personally impacting my fishing.
I post links to all these scientists telling you this stuff is bad for fish and the environment, but since you dont see an IMMEDIATE impact you refuse to beleive them? You want to quibble because two of the links were regarding reclassification of hatchery fish?...note the articles some five or six of em, were all posted in a 10 minute span. I just googled and pasted the first of hundreds of articles that came up. PLease feel free to look into it a little on your own if you dont like my sources. Im not asking you to take my word for it. Take sciences word for it. Better still ask anyone on this board if its a good idea to classify hatchery fish as wild..right or left i think they will all respond it is not.

I have lived here only three years. In those three years the fish on the river I fish have steadily declined in return numbers, had early closures and are forecasted to continue that slide. Fish from Lake Washington seems to have some mercury problems or whatever? I would not blame those things on Bush any sooner than I would say he is good for sport fishing just because the damage he is doing isnt immediately apparent yet.

I like a good argument and i enjoy to hear others views even when i disagree, but your just asking the same thing over and over and then closing your eyes when you dont like the answers.

Who here wants to defend Bush on sport fishing and the environment? Who has the guts and the ability to totally divorce oneself from reality enough to attempt to defend his record????

Anyone?

*crickets

Elvis is cool. I would never confront him with ugly facts. I totally disagree with the bulk of his views but at least he's reasonably coherent at times.

This Phish guy on the other hand just has an impenetrable melon. I have a hard time understanding people like that.

"these people who beleive "we'd all be speaking Iraqi bu now if it werent for Dubya".
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Once again you post a stupid quote, but I doubt you ever met a person who would actually say that. Sure, you could find a poll if you look hard enough...

"note the articles some five or six of em, were all posted in a 10 minute span. I just googled and pasted"

Exactly my point. My 5yr old can do that...

"How the hell am I gonna "show" you anything over the net? "

I'll make it easy for you. Just give me a number of people you personally know who would agree to that quote... I'll trust your word on this...

Aunty.... I worked for the USGS and the Earth and Space Science, and Oceanography departments at the UW. I worked very closely with many scientists from many diffferent economic social and political backgrounds on a daily basis. These are the people who are experts on your local rivers, fisheries, ocean, air, etc and they All expressed their unsolicited extreme displeasure for Bush's environmental policies, and his contempt for science in general.

I am sure there are fish experts here, and Im sure people like Phish are eager to ignore them or discount what they say as liberal propaganda to "put dumbya in a bad light".

"I have lived here only three years. In those three years the fish on the river I fish have steadily declined in return numbers, had early closures and are forecasted to continue that slide. Fish from Lake Washington seems to have some mercury problems or whatever? I would not blame those things on Bush any sooner than I would say he is good for sport fishing just because the damage he is doing isnt immediately apparent yet."

I've lived her my whole life. The runs that have decreased have decreased over a period of time covering both Dem and Repub administrations. The only thing in common is that during that same timeframe, the Dems have been running this state....

My gramps believes that crap Phish. He was at Pearl Harbor and still think the Japs are the enemy too.

as for the other 44 percent who beleive that hooey, they aint exactly good friends or aquiantances of mine. Next time Im in a red state (or near Forks) I'll get a signed testimonial for you.

I dont understand what you want from me? You seem unable to accept that people could believe such a thing despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

again you are not reading what I posted. Did you miss this sentence ?(how could you you quoted it? you dont even read what you are quoting? Can you even read at all?)

The problem is, too many of these scientist types around here have too much trouble seperating science from their personal political leanings.

They love to post PI articles like "Bush bad for environment - tries to kill all fish".

Let's talk about the issues first, then decide if there is a real threat. Some guys on here are good at posting real issues and disussing things openly. If we all conclude that there is some wrong doing that will impact our fisheries, you can bet that 99% of the guys on this site will be willing to take some kind of action. But when you cloud it with bipartisan accustations right out of the bag, most guys tune it out. Just look how many guys post on this site vs how many post in the politics section...

Phish-yes you seem to be exceedingly good at tuning out all but what you want to hear, I'll agree with you there. You are a wolrd class tuner outer.

Keep telling yourself science is a liberal plot to discredit King George, whatever helps you live with yourself.

Aunty-I give up. Check the congressional voting record for a good look at partisan environmental policy. I know the dems have done their damage as well (im not familiar with your states history in the slightest unfortunately)but check that voting record and you will see who the slash and burn party is.

I any case, no point beating a dead horse, if its been done to death here and gomer still thinks Bush is good for fish, more power to him and the other residents of Make Beleivesville.