So what does Iraq having a bunch of low grade uranium have to do with Wilson pointing out that bush lied to America in his quest for war?

By the way, the author failed to mention that the uranium under our watch was left unsealed and unguarded long enough for terrorists to steal all they wanted. Brilliant.

But it was nice of the author to verify that the uranium was indeed useless as a WMD, thus validating what we've been saying all along.

But they did buy some stuff from Niger in the '80's, huh? Wanna guess what Iraq got from us in the '80's? That's right -- WMDs. Chemical type that we watched him use on his own people. Wonderful. Oh, and there's that whole Iraq/Iran war thingy we encouraged.

Yeah, I know, Krusty. Here's where you come back with, "Blame America first, yada, yada, yada."

Well, here's a word for ya: Responsibility.
Try having some sometime.

"It seems to me you're confusing respect for opinions with respect for actions, and clearly, they ain't the same thing."

SG,

I value action not opinions generally. You can have all the opinion in the world and unless someone takes action it is worthless.

To bad you dont apply that philospohy to your own self and keep your worthless opinions about the war to yourself.

Do you want to list what actions you have taken in support of the cause you champion?
Or will you discount your opinions on the matter as worthless?


You are a hypocrite, and a moron. Your argument has NO legs to stand on, and you wont even play by your own rules.

der duh actions not opinions, but i wont enlist cause theres no draft, still me can say whatever me wants....me have right to opinion, you dont but i do, me think war good, dumbya good, der

Chives,

Do you want to list what actions you have taken in support of the cause you champion?
Or will you discount your opinions on the matter as worthless?

I pay much more in taxes than the avg. citizen. So by your standards my opinion should count that much more.

YOUR standard King, not mine.

TK,

It's comforting to know that all the opinions you express here that are not backed up by your personal actions are worthless - in your own opinion. At least that's consistent with your claim that your participation here is just a form of entertainment to see if you can p!ss people off.

Sincerely,

Salmo g.

Salmo,

What have I not backed up with action?

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Goharley,

President Bush (43) made a calulated decision based on the best intellegence available in the world (English, Russian and other top Intelligence gathering agencies all concurred) in presupossing that Saddam and his regime had WMD's before the invasion of Iraq (the same conclusion Bill and Hillary Clinton, Al Gore and John Kerry came to). Saddam also wouldn't allow U.N weapon inspectors to do their job (inspect for WMD's) unfettered.

With that in mind I ask you, what did Bush 43 knowingly lie about in his 'quest for war'?

As KK says, "show your work."

FYI--Bush said Saddam 'sought' uranium--Wilson said Saddam never 'bought' uranium.

I know how found of Clintonese you are so please don't come back w/ some sort of 'it depends on what your defination of 'is' is retort.

Whats even funnier is that Wilson so enraged by Bush comments in his speech waited until he joined the Kerry campaign before expressing that rage. In an article published shotly after Bushes speech Wilson condemned Saddam and held him solely responsible for the war.

Secondly on the outing of Plame. Val Wilson as she was covertly known donated $1000 to the Al Gore presidental campaign. On the disclosure form she listed her covert name and the name of her covert company. Now she and her low rent husband Wilson are singing the we wanted to do what was best for the country song,. The dems are singing it as well. The dems have been Anti CIA since the vietnam war and now they are all about protecting the CIA and what it stands for. Like I said before the only time you hear the truth is when politicians call each other liars. Neither side can claim moral ground here and both should just STFU.

Here's the easiest one:

Those famous 16 words that he conveyed as a fact after he was told by Tenet and others it was not credible information (that means a lie), yet he told the American people anyway.

Now I don't know what your moral compass is or how you raise your family being a man of great faith and all, but to me that's a lie pure and simple. I wouldn't let my kids or my spouse pull that on me so why should I allow my president?

And quite frankly, I don't care what Clinton, or Kerry, or anyone else thought about Iraq and WMDs, bush is the one that pulled the inspectors and rushed to war.

But you neocon evangelists keep on apologizing and substituting empirial reality for empirical reality. Don't question what he says, just have faith.

By the way, have you ordered your "Free Eric Rudolph" t-shirt yet?

Nice try loser. Move forward in history a bit. Hard for a lib to do when they cannot re-create that hiorty to suit their needs.

Wilson's central claim - that the White House had ignored his findings about Yellowcake and Niger have proven false. Even Wilson no longer stands behind these claims. It was demonstrated by the testimony of CIA officials involved that his information never reached the White House, and that in fact CIA analysts believed his information offered further evidence that Saddam had tried to purchase Uranium from Niger.

Bush's claim from his SoTU speach stands true today...The British still stand behind the assertion, and Britsh intelligence still believes that Iraq tried to purchase Uranium from Niger. So do many in the CIA. It was wrong for Bush to use British intelligence in his SoTU address that the CIA had not verified. The White House and CIA have acknowledged this.

Wilson farted and you libs smelled roses.

You know, after reading through all of this and others, it makes me understand why nothing gets done. The system is sooooo corupt we probably can't even begin to imagine, anyway, what I'm trying to say is there is an incredible amount of very intelect people here, left, right or whateverer, with one common interest, FISH! and everything that has to do with them. It would be nice if we could unite for that cause, and spend our valuable time working for that instead of arguing about things we are unable to control or change, unfortunately. No there is no life beyond fishing! FS

TK,

Well, the flip side, as you so often take in your posts, would be, which of your opinions have you backed up with action, besides your 5 acre riparian set-aside? For instance, you’ve expressed your opinion as to the inevitability of war with Islam, while not expressly supporting the war in Iraq. If you believe it’s so inevitable, what are you doing to bring about its conclusion. I keep hearing they need truck drivers over there, and you’re not too old for that. Walk that talk.

Sincerely,

Salmo g.

Paying my taxes so the defense dept can buy more and better weapons . That takes a big chunk out of my day

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As Far as the t-shirt goes I'm still waiting for my Club G'itmo (Guantanamo Bay) one first:


http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibesse...east.guest.html

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibessential/illustrating_absurdity/tshirts.guest.html


KK,

By the documents,"I know how you 'Rs are into documents", do you mean like the classified documents about al Quada that the 9/11 commission needed to make their findings that Sandy Burgler...I mean Burger secretely stuffed down his pants and destroyed? Are those the documents you're referring to?

Goharley,

Since you despise 'lies' so much is that why you were so insistent that Slick Willey be impeached after it was proven he was a liar while he purgered himself under a sworn oath to tell the truth ?
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With regards to the 'recently sought/bought' debate, please pay special attention to the last two paragraphs:

Sixteen Truthful Words


By WILLIAM SAFIRE

Published: July 19, 2004


"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

— George W. Bush, State of the Union address, Jan. 28, 2003



WASHINGTON — Those were "the 16 words" in a momentous message to a joint session of Congress that were pounced on by the wrong-war left to become the simple centerpiece of its angry accusation that "Bush lied to us" — or, as John Kerry more delicately puts it — "misled" us into thinking that Saddam's Iraq posed a danger to the U.S.

The he-lied-to-us charge was led by Joseph Wilson, a former diplomat sent in early 2002 by the C.I.A. to Niger to check out reports by several European intelligence services that Iraq had secretly tried to buy that African nation's only major export, "yellowcake" uranium ore.

Wilson testified to the Senate Intelligence Committee that he had assured U.S. officials back in 2002 that "there was nothing to the story." When columnist Robert Novak raised the question of nepotism by reporting that he got the assignment at the urging of his C.I.A. wife, Wilson denied that heatedly and denounced her "outing," triggering an investigation. The skilled self-promoter was then embraced as an antiwar martyr, sold a book with "truth" in its title, appeared on the cover of Time and every TV talk show denouncing Bush.

Two exhaustive government reports came out last week showing that it is the president's lionized accuser, and not Mr. Bush, who has been having trouble with the truth.

Contrary to his indignant claim that "Valerie had nothing to do with the matter" of selecting him for the African trip, the Senate published testimony that his C.I.A. wife had "offered up his name" and printed her memo to her boss that "my husband has good relations" with Niger officials and "lots of French contacts." Further destroying his credibility, Wilson now insists this strong pitch did not constitute a recommendation.

More important, it now turns out that senators believe his report to the C.I.A. after visiting Niger actually bolstered the case that Saddam sought — Bush's truthful verb was "sought" — yellowcake, the stuff of nuclear bombs. The C.I.A. gave Wilson's report a "good" grade because "the Nigerien officials admitted that the Iraqi delegation had traveled there in 1999 and that the Nigerien Prime Minister believed the Iraqis were interested in purchasing uranium" — confirming what the British and Italian intelligence services had told us from their own sources.

But a C.I.A. analyst opined "the Brits have exaggerated this issue" because "the Iraqis already have 550 metric tons of uranium oxide in their inventory."

State Department intelligence also was dubious, reports the Senate, more so in October when an Italian journalist brought in a bunch of phony documents somebody was trying to sell him about a Niger uranium transaction. This outweighed the report of a top security official in the French Foreign Ministry, who told U.S. diplomats in November 2002 that "France believed the reporting was true that Iraq had made a procurement attempt for uranium from Niger."

Two months later, with no objection from C.I.A., the famous 16 words went into Bush's 2003 State of the Union.

But when word leaked about the fake documents — which were not the basis of the previous reporting by our allies — Wilson launched his publicity campaign, acting as if he had known earlier about the forgeries. The Senate reports that in his misleading anonymous leak to The Washington Post, "He said he may have misspoken . . . he said he may have become confused about his own recollection. . . ." The subsequent firestorm caused the White House to retreat prematurely with: "the sixteen words did not rise to the level of inclusion in the State of the Union address."

That apology was a mistake; Bush had spoken the plain truth. Did Saddam seek uranium from Africa, evidence of his continuing illegal interest in a nuclear weapon? Here is Lord Butler's nonpartisan panel, which closely examined the basis of the British intelligence:

". . . we conclude that the statement in President Bush's State of the Union Address of 28 January 2003 that `The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa' was well-founded."

Nothing will happen because Bush's boys are accomplished liars. Good liars don't get caught lying because they use weasel words like "sought" and "best available intelligence" so they don't get pinned down.

Clinton was a pretty good liar, with his "there is " no relationship, so he could say there was one if caught, and "I did not have sexual relations" meaning that a hummer isn't sexual relations...........but he wasn't as good a liar as, say, Rove is. For one, Rove has no blue dress to worry about, just someone else's word. And a good liar can easily get around someone else's word.

What? You're surprised that our upper levels of Government are comprised of liars and weasels? You shouldn't be. That's who we vote for every time.

Yep.

With regards to Safire; and? He cites a quote by the Brits who relied on forged documents in the first place. What did you expect them to say? What part of CYA don't you understand?

And since he's parsing words:
That's quite a bit different than "they actually were" or "knew they were."

bush was told by Tenet NOT to use the Niger uranium issue in his speech because it was not valid. bush knew at that point the information was questionable at best, yet he conveyed it to the American public as if it was fact. That's still a lie where I come from.

Maybe we just go to different churches or something...

well since theKing pays more taxes than all of us, his opinion is more valid, so Rove must be a swell guy who never leaked any info maliciously, and wilson must be a liberal doodie head who only wants to "bring Bush down". case closed.....until we pay as much in taxes as theKing we have no right to dispute his opinions or even voice our own.

Go here.

You can tell when the libs have lost a point. They whip out the "enlist" line like that has any merit then they go on a back slapping parade like the last 3 posts. It's like watching a 3 stooges movie