thank dog no ones asked me how i really feel.

I'm pretty sure we can guess h2o!

The female side comes out once back in the urban core.

i know this is shallow of me but I always put an asterisk by people that like professional wrestling...and people that wear faux hawks.


No doubt brother, cant argue that point.


But what is good music? who is determine good music? just like voting...who makes those desicions?

thats right...the majority.

One of the main factors i look at in good music whether its The Faint or Britney Spears where technical stuff is primarilay what the songs are made up of to Dashboard confessional where he started out with just an acoustic, i look at how much they sound like their CD. How clean the live sound is. How well they play, and the show they put on are very important.

For rock its the original hard riffs taht are NOT in the same dumb power chords everyone plays. Originality of the voice and style ( kris Kornell, AC/DC, Zach Delerocca, Robert Plant, Stevie Ray Vaughn and Jimi.)

Stevie and jimi sucked at singing, really. But their guitar playing and style of songs were unforgettable. I play Stevie Ray vaughn for all my friends that dont ever listen to that style and they loved it. I havent found anyone that doesnt like him . That....is the power of good music. The ability to cross genres, gender, and races. U2...they have at least one song that appeals to someone. Elvis, johnny Cash, Dean Martin. They all have a song that everyone knows or that everyone can like.


i look at what they sing about. the originality of it. Nickelback sings for a different genre...not many people over 35 can really appriciate what they sing about. Whereas Pearl Jam or lets say Kenney chesney's songs appeal to the masses..everyone.Thats wahy country is so widely liked ( and hated...by people that like alot of music and arent boxed in by the twang of the steel guitar and accents) Most country singers sing about stuff that reaches into everyone and touchs something.

System of a down on the other hand is...well SOAD..hahaha crazy screaming and harsh lyrics for the disturbed masses. Like myself.


I think nickelback is great. They speak to me and the experiences in my life. Not only that..the riffs are awesome..the way the songs are broken up into are great and the whole flow of the music rocks. Its simple but successful. But if you go to a nickelback concert you wont see many people over 35.

you don't really need need proof that the majority is often wrong do you?

george w. bush

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...you care a just a little tiny bit and you know it.


....ahhhhhh, who am I kidding?

does any one here listen to dream theater? these are very talented guys. easy to pick up who thier influences are. yet they are a unique band. they do great covers too. check out this iron maiden cover. the vocals are spot on and the lead guitar nails every note perfectly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVMoYSNx-D8

Damn this brings me way back July 1981 Paramount Theather.
That completly changed the way I view guitar playing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTQ-pah64y0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etBqNC2K0Xs

Abu ,just for the record I am a lot older then you, hell I am even older then Sol , The only music I do not like is rap ! Us old people we can still keep up with you young people

Some of the most tired SOB's in the world are those guys who obsess about obscure bands and claim everything else sucks. The way I see it, they would not be unheard of unless they sucked.. its not like there is a secrete "good" music society out there that knows something the rest of the public does not.

Its almost as tired as " Gun Guy" who sits down at your lunch table and proceeds to bore you on end with stories of obscure calibers and ballistics. I don't know, but the two types seem really similar to me.

Reminds me of the " audiophiles " of the late 70's and through the 80's - Dumb ass would have 5,000 dollars worth of speakers that were 6 foot high stuck in the front room of a 600 sq foot apartment. He would turn that [censored] up in that tiny room and remark " God, just check out the .. Clarity" of these speakers.

Wow.. this was pretty random, but I'll stand by it

I was never a fan of techno music until my son came back from the army after being stationed in Germany. He ended up djing in a couple of local clubs there. Drum and bass, Euro hip hop, jungle - all types I'd never heard of. I've listened to the cds he's mixed himself and I like it in small doses.

I am a *younger* person 29 and a few days. I think Nickleback sucks, really bad. Generic, faux rock for the masses can work for me, but it has to at least make me tap my toes or something. I don't see their music as 'good', just below average. When I try to think of this genre it is really hard to pin down a band that doesn't suck overall (Pearl Jam, Trapt, Creed, etc.).

I also kind of follow what B-run is saying, but there are relatively un-known bands out there that are really pretty interesting to listen to, they just will never cross over to the mainstream because the sound does not fit the market. I have been on a bunch of different music kicks, and found out there are lots of bands out there only heard by small minorities of folks.

Lately, I've been into som 70's California Psychedelic type music, really digging this group 'The Shocking Blue', Send me a Postcard . They apparently had a popular song called 'venus' but that 'Send me a Postcard' is better, really energetic. I got into them through Pandora.com searching Jefferson Airplane.

"Venus" was shocking Blue's big hit. Much controvesery when it first came out as Venus sounded alot like penis in the tune.
The internet has helped obscure bands get some recognition as the industry giants are so intent on shoving the bands into genres for marketing purposes and some bands with a unigue sound have trouble because they don't fit the pigeon holes. It's really stiffled the creative process for musicians and the listener.
Of course, the software to process the sound of the borderline singer (think Ashley Simpson) to make them sound ok and the other software available to mix down the music has lent to the "genericification" of music.
I still play vinyl at home and buy it at some stores in Seattle andf elsewhere. I'm one of those old codgers you see at Value Village rooting thru all the crates of Montovani and Lawrence Welk to find the gems like a Sun Records Johnny Cash compilation I found a couple weeks ago.

"its not like there is a secrete "good" music society out there that knows something the rest of the public does not."

ummmm...that's exactly what it's like. some people choose to have their stuff handed to them on a silver platter....they get all their stuff from the radio and Mtv...fine for them and frankly, fine by me. but i have news for you b-run...if you think radio (aka big giant record companies) are giving you the best of what's out there 'you've got another thing comin'....

...they are giving you what they think they can sell you. If you are happy with that, more power to you. To me though it just epitomizes everything that's wrong not just with the music industry but American culture as a whole....we get our meat from megaranches, our vegetables from megafarms, buy our groceries from costco, do our christmas shopping at wal mart, and get our music from the radio...wtf happened to the little guy in this country?

I prefer fresh, locally raised meat. I prefer to grow my own vegetables or buy them from the co-op. I prefer to shop for groceries at the corner store. I do all of my christmas shopping in mom and pop shops. I find my music through networking. Yes, sometimes it takes a little more effort to live this way but in the end not only is it more rewarding for me personally, it benefits and enriches the local communities I patronize....

...i'm not trying to change anyone's mind on this stuff, like i said i know enough about this business to recognize the futility of that effort. What I'm after here is challenging people to get them thinking...also often an exercise in futility.

cheers

Well, I guess if I wipe my ass with a corn cob I'll know more about what kind of music people like than I do now ??? The music industry does not have a brain washing formula that makes people like a particular style of music (not much of a radio guy myself) People choose what they like.

I guess what I am saying is when obscure music guy asks me if I have ever heard of the " Blink blang Bungholes" chances are I never have or will. Thats not because I'm ignorant or conforming, its more likely that its because they suck in most peoples opinion. If they are any good, they will get out there sooner or later, and every one will hear it.

actually, the music industry DOES have a brainwashing formula...it's called 'Hit Song Science'... and this program or its competitor is used on every song released to the radio for airplay. Often bands demos are run through this product before they are even signed to determine their potential market value.

I'm not sure what wiping your ass with a corncob has to do with anything though...butt hey, whatever floats your boat!

I like Elvis, Nirvana, Tony Bennett, Slayer, etc......

To get back to page 1....I like that video.
I don't watch MTV. So getting these links is cool. [censored] I'm getting old right before my eyes.
Time to pack for Seiku.

How can anyone still stick up for a band that basically just rearranges song after song? How can anyone respect an "artist" like Ashlee Simpson? I'll use Frank Zappa as the best example of a man who never sold himself out yet managed to have a good fan base anyway. Nickleback and other bands are soul less,and I'm afraid so is our society more and more. Look at the stip mall syndrome. On every block in every city you have 3 starbucks ,a subway,and a nail salon,some crappy stores that suck.....what happened to the character of America? Look at how rich and vibrant the music was from the 50's through the 70's,and even the 80's. There has to be some talent and guts and soul out there. I pray we don't lose that. Television is the worst of it all. I can barely stand any of it,except maybe the educational channels,A&E,Discovery,etc. I am saving that example of Nicklefag and showing it to all my lame music listening friends in hopes they see the light. I'm just glad I know the difference between good and crap. Actually I just wanted to write about Frank Zappa

"I'll use Frank Zappa as the best example of a man who never sold himself out yet managed to have a good fan base anyway."

Frank Zappa is one of my heroes for the reason you've stated. He did come up when the record companies were a lot more experimental than now. The downfall of the record companies going on now they've done to themselves. I think the whole industry will loosen up with downloads becoming more mainstream. Selling a single tune online is kinda like the single '45's that were big here in the '50's and early '60's and still available in Reggae and dance music.
Online streaming of music programs has also made a lot available that otherwise wouldn't be heard worldwide. I burn a lot of cds from different websites that djs post downloads on.