Just two

whats your proposed sample plan ?
what will you use as a nominal reference point ?

There, see how easy it is to be boss

You're not my boss. Those questions were lucid and relevant...

Seattle has too many engineers.
I'll stick with Keith on this one.

My greatest mentor once told me " I don't have to know sh!t, I need 20 guys working for me that know everything.. "

Actually, I did think of an interesting hook test. I don't think I've ever seen it reported. Tie a hook to a half ounce weight and drop it so that the point hooks into ballistics gellatin. Tape everything with high speed cameras. Then you cold see the dynamics of a hookset and quantify the forces.

I personally think the material properties and physical characteristics are very boring. The dynamics at hookset are where the intersting things happen.

"Just huck your [censored] out there, when it gets yanked....yank back! "

Well, it took four pages to get to the guts of the matter, but I believe that Stam has now done so...well done!

With the exception of minor tweaks and adjustments, I think it really is that simple most of the time.

Fish on...

Todd

A mentor of mine told me "The world needs ditch diggers, too." He didn't say anything about lawyers... probably 'cause he'd get sued.

K.I.S.S.= Keep It Simple Stam

Some of you folks think way too much

80 % of the time things really are that simple. The majority of of the paychecks generated in the engineering field are simply quantifying things that are already known.

I used to have a sign in my cube, it said " Confused ?? don't know what to do ?? join several others with the same problem.. go to a meeting "... below that I had a pic of a nuke mushroom cloud " Built by lazy illiterate Americans.. tested in Japan ".

I love the anti-engineer sentiment. Bring it! I've heard it all. I'll even start it off.

Why do some guys become engineers? Because they don't have the people-skills to be morticians.
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Two engineering students are walking through the campus. One is pushing a bike. The other asks, "How'd you get that bike?"

The one pushing the bike responds, "I was walking here yesterday when a woman riding this bike rides up, throws off all her clothes, and tells me to take anything I want. I took the bike."

The other student nods in approval and says, "Good choice. Her clothes probably wouldn't fit you."
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There were three engineers in a car; an electrical engineer, a chemical engineer, and a Microsoft engineer.

Suddenly, the car stops running and they pull off to the side of the road wondering what could be wrong.

The electrical engineer suggests stripping down the electronics of the car and trying to trace where a fault may have occurred.

The chemical engineer, not knowing much about cars, suggests maybe the fuel is becoming emulsified and getting blocked somewhere.

The Microsoft engineer, not knowing much about anything, came up with a suggestion. "Why don't we close all the windows, get out, get back in, and open all the windows and see if it works?"

DiverX,


Overboard with those SOB's. Your OK in my book. And your chart and comment about the forces at work during the hookset got me thinking. Wouldn't a hook perform better, i.e. have superior penetration AND maintain the integrity of the hook bend (not open up) if the wire diameter would thicken where the stress is greatest during the fight?


Stam,

If all fish yanked when they bit and then rolled over on their backs like a cheap hooker (pun intended), I wouldn't be involved in this conversation.


Here's a link I've previously shared with Parker. I see there is a lot of little people interest. Maybe you could hook up.

Click the link
Midget Dating

An optimist says the glass is half full
A pessimist says the glass is half empty
An engineer says the glass is too big

Vince,
Does she fish?

As a surgeon who spends a good deal of my career purposely penetrating tissue, I'll vouch for the unsurpassed ability of cutting points to get the job done.

Conical points are a distinct disadvantage when it comes to facilitating penetration.

Thicker wire means bigger cross-sectional area, Vince, which minimizes the pressure and reduces penitration. Same reason it's easier to set a barbless hook over one with a barb. As the hook penitrates the area breaking the surface increases. You can read this shi% and still not understand the dynamics of what is happening. Think about it.

Vince,

No worries. I'm just yanking chains because I'm bored. These guys are easy to incite.

As for hook designs, the reason most hooks are simple, constant-diameter wire with a few simple bends is because it is easy and cheap to manufacture. More expensive big game hooks display the designs you suggested. Some have flat sides at the bend because they have been pressed to put material in the plane where the forces are applied and to harden the material. Actually, if you look at bone hooks, you can see where they have little material at the point and a lot at the bend as you suggested. Bone hooks are carved with a design derived from trial and error which would optimize over time without the considerations of mass production. Also since bone is more brittle than metal for the most part, a design failure means losing the time to make a hook and the fish, so it's probably a better design.

I love this crap.. I gotta step away !!! I wish I had something as interesting as hooks to study in my career. Field testing would have been mandatory with my boss picking up the tab. That would have been a real job !! I could have lived the life of Vedder.

Do you guys want to talk about Young's modulus and the stress/strain relationship for isotropic materials?

Talk about scared for life.

No way.. cool thing about that is after you take the test you will never be asked about again for the rest of your life.. " hopefully"

My strength of materials is rusty, but I can roll with ya, Sol.

We can break out the bending moments of inertia and start writing out the equations for bending while we're at it.