#394611 - 12/09/07 05:49 PM
Free Speech Protections Cover These Guys...vids
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River Nutrients
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Click on the link below. Taking Aim at the Koran Here's a good reminder to the conservatives out there that free speech protections cover them as well. These guys should make sure their ACLU membership, and their NRA memberships are up to date. If your muslim, you probably won't want to watch these vids. What this guy did was every bit as inflammatory as dropping a crucifix in a jar of urine and calling it art. But his defense on his blog has been very literate. Normally I don't cut n paste this much, but I have to say it was a very stimulating exercise in the expression of constitutional rights. It would have just been a bunch of guys with guns acting mildly stupid, except for what he wrote afterwards. It’s a book, and it is not sacred to me. It is my property and I do not follow religious law. I have the right to burn or destroy it. Thousands of Korans in this country are destroyed in book stores every year by having their covers ripped off, and then being shredded. The Koran is nothing more than a book to me, and to America; at least as regards our law.
Oh and I feel the same about the Torah, the Bible, and even the Constitution. By destroying a book, you do not destroy the ideas that are within it. You do not destroy the faith of those that believe in it. You do not destroy anything that matters. It is nothing more than paper, glue, and ink.
We as Americans are free to disagree, and even to hate if we want, without being convicted for apostasy or heresy or political unreliability. We have no thought police here, nor roving bands of religious enforcers.
This may enrage muslims, but muslims within our society must learn to live within our society and by OUR rules. They have no right to punish me or to demand my punishment or my censure for this action, and they must learn this. Muslims living in other free societies must learn to live within the rules of a free society.
Is that cultural imperialism? Perhaps, but I feel fully justified in it.
I would not burn your koran, or your bible, or your torah, in fact if I did I would expect to get my ass kicked and then thrown in jail; but mine I should be able to do anything I want with, including use it as toilet paper if I feel like...
...It’s the same for me with the flag. Do I dislike intensely the burning of the flag? Of course I do. Do the flag burners anger me? Of course they do; but it’s not because they are burning the flag, it’s WHY they are burning the flag, and what they are trying to say by doing so that angers me. I loathe what they are trying to say, but as far as I’m concerned they should and MUST be allowed to say those things, and to burn the flag if it is what they wish, so long as they paid for it.
Chris Byrne
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#394619 - 12/09/07 07:04 PM
Re: Free Speech Protections Cover These Guys...vids
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Click on the link below. Taking Aim at the Koran Here's a good reminder to the conservatives out there that free speech protections cover them as well. These guys should make sure their ACLU membership, and their NRA memberships are up to date. It's usually the liberals that feel the need to desecrate and burn flags, bras, draft cards, etc) ...But thanks for the heads up. It seems that shiat heads sit on both side of our political spectrum. Those guys represent "conservatives" like Gloria Steinum represents SOL.
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#394636 - 12/09/07 07:55 PM
Re: Free Speech Protections Cover These Guys...vids
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RvW,
The conservative talking heads on radio and TV love to use the people like Gloria Steinman to represent the average liberal. Or whatever the most extreme position is and then generalize it to represent the views of the opposing school of thought. It's why I stopped listening to talk radio 12 years ago. There was no genuine discussion of anything.
Funny the stuff a person finds when looking for something entirely different. I was looking for stats on negligent or accidental discharges of Glocks. And maybe a recommendation for a weapon for a first time firearm owner to use for concealed carry. This particular individual had been told the Glock was THE gun to own. My understanding was the Glock was the gun to own if using one was part of your professional duties. I still didn't find anything useful, just a bunch of anecdotal stories and opinions on both sides.
I'm reluctant to see a newbie with a glock due to it's safety mechanism located on the trigger, and the fact that the trigger has to be pulled in order to break the weapon down for cleaning. But I'm not an expert at all, thats why I was googling looking for some expert opinions.
Probably a discussion that needs it's own thread.
VHawk
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#394688 - 12/09/07 10:57 PM
Re: Free Speech Protections Cover These Guys...vids
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River Nutrients
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I love that vid. I do believe he shot himself with a Glock as well. From what I've read it's a helluva tool in the hands of professionals, but it strikes me that much like a racing clutch, it's probably dangerous in the hands of amateurs.
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#395054 - 12/11/07 12:05 AM
Re: Free Speech Protections Cover These Guys...vids
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 06/03/06
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Vince,
I knew a person that killed himself by accident and heard of another that did it too. Both were at parties playing with loaded guns. From what I gather they thought the guns were unloaded when they took out the clips. It seems to me it wouldn't be that hard to make a safety that engages everytime the clip is out. Off subject, but anytime I hear about someone shooting themselvesI wonder about this.
Edited by Krijack (12/11/07 12:08 AM)
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#395125 - 12/11/07 10:12 AM
Re: Free Speech Protections Cover These Guys...vids
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Parr
Registered: 11/13/07
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Loc: Kent, WA
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Sure are a lot of morons that shoot themselves with 'unloaded' guns!
RULE #1: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN "UNLOADED" GUN!!!!!!
RULE #2: SEE RULE #1
As for these Koran shooting fools... they need to learn to shoot a little better before they go shooting off at the mouth. I have no problem with the shooting of books, but I do have a problem with poor marksmanship. If you're going to make a video that shows how bad ass you are with your stupid SKS... at least make sure you can hit schitt at 25 yards with it. ~josh
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