#396152 - 12/13/07 05:14 PM
mitchell report....mlb steroid era
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Here is a link to the complete Mitchell report. This reports alot of names of players who took roids or hgh during thier career. MITCHELL REPORT LINK Here is a list of some notbale players: Barry Bonds Roger Clemens Andy Pettitte Jason Giambi Gary Sheffield Miguel Tejada there are many many other names...some pretty suprising some you already know i'm really pissed about Gary Matthews Jr. because he has been a Mariner's killer the last couple years...ridiculous
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#396168 - 12/13/07 05:48 PM
Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era
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They were just talking on KJR regarding the 2001 Mariners. They of course lost the ALCS to the Yankee's after their record breaking regular season. Andy Pettite won two games as the MVP of that series and Clemens started another game the Yaks won. They failed to mention though that they were throwing against guys like Popeye Bret Boone. You've got to love a good conspiracy theory.
I think there are a lot more guys then just the 80 or so that they named. Some were just smarter then the others, like playing cash rather then writing checks for their roids.
You have to wonder if Clemen's throwing the bat a Mike Piazza was a case of roid rage?
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#396178 - 12/13/07 06:04 PM
Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era
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clemens was always a hero for me. kind of a let down
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#396191 - 12/13/07 06:53 PM
Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era
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So was Barry. The reason is because of how big he has been for the past few years, basically up until last year. Then this year his uniform was a little bigger than normal, and he missed some time due to injury. It’s just an opinion though. Manny Stats A little spike in HR’s from 1998 to 2005. Coincidence? Maybe, but I think not. Again, merely my opinion. Also, would anyone think that Bonds' stats were odd just by looking at them, except for his 73 HR year?? Bonds Stats
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#396229 - 12/13/07 08:02 PM
Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era
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Hippie
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Bonds was just putting himself on a fair playing field.
... Amazingly, Mitchell failed to add Manny to his list. I don't buy the "level playing field" because you are putting his stats against other greats of the game. It might be a "level playing field" for the era (I don't even buy that) but his stats shouldn't be able to be compared to people like Hank Aaron. And just because Manny (or anyone else) isn't on the list doesn't mean there is some conspiracy. Maybe he was just smarter about how he did it? They clearly aren't going to catch everyone. Some of these were easy finds though and were based on canceled checks or first hand info from other players or trainers. The other thing that seems strange to me is that people are already saying things like, "Yeah, that was steroid era in the late 90's", as if none of this continued up to the most recent seasons? And shame on the league for trying to punish Giambi a while back when he was trying to be open about what had happened. All that did was make everyone shut up and continue denying everything.
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#396276 - 12/13/07 10:49 PM
Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era
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List of Players Named in Mitchell Report AP Posted: 2007-12-13 16:42:17 Here's a list of most of the names Major League Baseball players listed in the Mitchell Report.
The following players were connected to steroids, either use or possession, in the report:
Lenny Dykstra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Andy Pettitte
Roger Clemens
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Gregg Zaun
David Justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Exavier "Nook" Logan
Howie Clark
Paxton Crawford
Ken Caminiti
Rafael Palmeiro
Luis Perez
Derrick Turnbow
Ricky Bones
Ricky Stone
The following players were cited under "Alleged Internet Purchases of Performance Enhancing Substances By Players in Major League Baseball."
Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Paul Byrd
Jose Canseco
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jason Grimsley
Jose Guillen
Darren Holmes
Gary Matthews Jr.
John Rocker
Scott Schoeneweis
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams
Steve Woodard
The following players were linked through BALCO:
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield
Randy Velarde
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Bobby Estalella
Barry Bonds
Marvin Benard
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#396302 - 12/14/07 12:09 AM
Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era
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I didn't see Bret Boone listed in any of the reports. Jose named him in his book.
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#396457 - 12/14/07 01:11 PM
Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era
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FYI..Did you know that a side affects of taking steroids, is that is causes the Penis to shrink to the size of a cocktail peanut? OUCH!! This comment was made by Lyle Alzado's personal Physician.
Edited by John Lee Hookum (12/14/07 01:33 PM)
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#396489 - 12/14/07 02:16 PM
Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era
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Basketball players don't need bulk, because basketball is more like a ballet and requires fine motor skills. Steroids would render basketball players rigid and mechanical, like Robots. Besides, Basketball player love having sex with all the groupies.
Now when you mention... crack, guns and gangs, that's another thing. Seems to be the same for football as well, but with football, you can add one more...the addiction for watching mutts fights, as Michael Vicks was.
Edited by John Lee Hookum (12/14/07 02:17 PM)
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#396514 - 12/14/07 02:41 PM
Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era
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River Nutrients
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To those that'd rather have this swept under the rug:
Do you think Ben Johnson should still be considered the fastest man in the world and have his medals?
Should the butt ugly German olympic swim team still be dominating womens swimming?
Where does it end?
On a side note...it strikes me funny that the PGA is implementing drug testing. Is there a drug out there that improves your swing because I want some.
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#396553 - 12/14/07 03:42 PM
Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era
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Prepare yourself Merg, you will be next I'm sure. You're joking right??? If anything, The Merg should be REQUIRED to take some rhoids! That kid is skinny as a rail!
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#396560 - 12/14/07 03:57 PM
Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era
[Re: Thrasher]
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Parr
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Manny Stats A little spike in HRs from 1998 to 2005. Coincidence? Maybe, but I think not. Could have a little something to do with a move out of 'the mistake by the lake' and into The Fens... ya think? Here's how I see it: MLB had a don't ask don't tell policy on roids, they liked the action they were seeing on the field and they didn't want to know what was causing it. Chicks (and other fans too) dig the long ball, period. Ball parks got smaller, the mound got lower, and pitchers were getting rocked... they needed a little help, so bring on the HGH. You can't really compare Bonds to Aaron, or Aaron to Ruth... the game was different when they played. Ruth hit a ton of homers late in games when the pitcher had already thrown 120 pitches, and the short porch at the Stadium helped too. Aaron played it pretty hitter friendly parks durring an era where relievers came in only sparingly and there were't a bunch of bullpen specialists like there are now. Bonds played in the Juiced age, not just the players, but the equipment too! What's everyone going to say when A-Rod hits #800? I'm sure they'll try to tear him down too. Steroids weren't against the rules, some chose to sell their souls, some didn't... let them live (or die... just ask Caminiti) with the consiquences. It is what it is... now they have rules and somewhat stiff penalties for violations, lets see where that goes. I'll keep watching baseball, but I'd rather watch High Schoolers or Pony Leaguers. It'll be interesting to see what the fall-out is... but I'm not holding my breath waiting for ol'Bud to "make it all right". ~josh
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#396573 - 12/14/07 04:23 PM
Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era
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"Steroids weren't against the rules"
They are against the law.
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#396576 - 12/14/07 04:33 PM
Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era
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How many anglers do you think are on roids, those Bass guys sure are bulked up in the belly.
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#396586 - 12/14/07 04:48 PM
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River Nutrients
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or HEMroids
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#396588 - 12/14/07 04:48 PM
Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era
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or in some cases HEMProids
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#396594 - 12/14/07 04:58 PM
Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era
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Parr
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"Steroids weren't against the rules"
They are against the law.
What about the HGH that's prescribed by a Dr.... or the ones that are available outside the US... or the androwhatever that McGuire used... or any other over-the-counter supliment that can aid in testosterone production? You can call them felons, or druggies, or whatever... but technically they weren't 'cheaters'. Do I condone it? NO WAY... but I can understand how it can happen. ~josh
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#396596 - 12/14/07 05:03 PM
Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era
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So are you saying they all had prescriptions and they need to go after the doctors? Anabolic steroids are against the law without a prescription.
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#396608 - 12/14/07 05:24 PM
Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era
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Parr
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So are you saying they all had prescriptions and they need to go after the doctors? Anabolic steroids are against the law without a prescription. Just because it's against the law... doesn't make it against the rules. It isn't against the law in Venezuela, or the Dominican... why should those players be at an advantage due to the lax laws in their countries? Why should the some players be allowed to use HGH by Rx and not allow others to do the same? Baseball made it's bed in the late 80's and early 90's... now they need to sleep in it. I'd be fully satisfied if Buddy Boy came out and said 'hey, it wasn't against the rules... it was against the law, but the law is not the governing body of MLB. If any player was brought up on charges of trafficing a controlled substance MLB would have addressed the situation at the time. We're committed to cleaning up the game, but everything in this report is ex-post-facto. There'll be no stripping of records, or asterics, or any penalties to players named in the report... baseball is moving forward with a commitiment toward the integity of the game." Frankly I think it's pretty stupid that all this went to Congress... they have better things to do, like figure out how to fund education for the children of this country, or get us the f#$& out of Iraq. ~josh
Edited by Metal Head (12/14/07 05:26 PM)
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#396610 - 12/14/07 05:34 PM
Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era
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So sports stars shouldn't have to obey the laws in this country? Should Darryl Strawberry or Dwight Gooden have been punished?
It went to congress because congress is the overseer of MLB baseball and can pull baseballs Anti-trust exemption.
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#396619 - 12/14/07 05:47 PM
Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era
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Parr
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Funny.... you failed to address the Rx issue. I'm not saying they shouldn't obey the law, we all should. What I'm saying is, this is all after the fact... so MLB and Congress doesn't have a leg to stand on here. It wasn't against the rules, PERIOD. If they want to risk their careers and jail time... so be it. It could be worse, they could be running dog fighting opperations. The only thing they're doing is screwing themselves. Oh, and IT WASN'T AGAINST THE RULES.
I don't see Congress getting involved in the NBA's affairs... not even when a ref gets busted for betting on games he officiated, and admitting to ties with the mafia. Guns, drugs, and thugs with millions... I'm much more concerned about that than a bunch of guys shoving needles in their ass just so they can throw/hit a ball harder. ~josh
PS... I hear you stlhead, it sucks that we as a society hold these guys (and athletes in general) in such high regard that they seem to get away with murder (Ray Lewis). It is unfortunate that the true heros in this country like police officers, firefighters, EMTs and educators don't get the recognition or financial compensation that they deserve. I'm just saying that baseball NEW WHAT WAS UP... and did nothing. Now they're throwing all these guys under the bus just to try and save face. I'm not buying it.
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#396666 - 12/14/07 09:39 PM
Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era
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#396676 - 12/14/07 10:21 PM
Re: mitchell report....mlb steroid era
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River Nutrients
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"Funny.... you failed to address the Rx issue" I haven't heard anyone claim they had a prescription.
The reason congress is involved versus the NBA or the NFL is that baseball is the only sport in the country with an anti-trust exemption granted by congress. It's the duty of congress to revisit that from time to time to determine if that's still warranted. Basically congess is an overseer of MLB.
Murder, rape, armed robbery aren't against the rules of baseball that I know of either. Should Michael Vick have been suspended? Did he break team or NFL rules?
Should college players be suspended for off campus crimes?
Highschoolers?
I too think that the owners on down were well aware and probably encouraged it with a "I don't want to know" attitude but I think that if this is swept under the rug then it will die down and continue business as usual.
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#396758 - 12/15/07 01:57 AM
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BTW, doesn't congress have better things to do, like finding some way to impeach Bush?
Congress? Are you kidding? Is that a joke?
Edited by John Lee Hookum (12/15/07 01:58 AM)
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