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#409027 - 01/29/08 11:37 AM They took Sols Bone
One Way Offline
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#409040 - 01/29/08 11:59 AM Re: They took Sols Bone [Re: ]
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Do you notice every statement made compares canibus to tabacco? My question would be who funded the research, RJ Renolds or such? Research grants have PROVEN to scew the findings in any study.

Even if it's true, Aunty's first sentance pretty much covers my thoughts on the subject.

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#409090 - 01/29/08 01:11 PM Re: They took Sols Bone [Re: Sol]
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BTW: Who still smokes joints? One bong hit of today's killer green and I'm good. By virture of smoke quantity alone, even if weed IS worse than tobacco, I think one is better off with weed if you are going to make the comparison. \:\)

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#409097 - 01/29/08 01:20 PM Re: They took Sols Bone [Re: Sol]
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1 hit or 20 cigarettes which would be worse?
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#409105 - 01/29/08 01:41 PM Re: They took Sols Bone [Re: Jerry Garcia]
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I wondered what reaction it would get, I forgot to add consider the source, and there are I am sure other studies that have conflicting results

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#409113 - 01/29/08 01:58 PM Re: They took Sols Bone [Re: One Way]
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I said it before about these studies, they are confounded. You can't use tobacco smokers that smoke weed as a study group. I am not saying smoking anything is healthy for you, just that a study has to be done on those who only smoke marijuana for valid, empirical results. Blaze on people.... ;\)
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#409132 - 01/29/08 02:44 PM Re: They took Sols Bone [Re: Mikespike]
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"Harmful toxins in marijuana smoke can be effectively avoided by a vaporization device, according to a new study by California NORML and MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies) with support from a grant from the MPP (Marijuana Policy Project).

The study, conducted by Chemic Labs in Canton, Mass., tested vapors from cannabis heated in an herbal vaporizer known as the Volcano® ( manufactured by Storz & Bickel GmbH&Co. KG, Tuttlingen, Germany http://www.storz-bickel.com) and compared them to smoke produced by combusted marijuana. The Volcano® is designed to heat material to temperatures of 130° to 230° C (266° to 446° F) where medically active vapors are produced, but below the threshold of combustion where smoke is formed.

The vapors from the Volcano® were found to consist overwhelmingly of THC, the major active component in marijuana, whereas the combusted smoke contained over 100 other chemicals, including several polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), carcinogenic toxins that are common in tobacco smoke. The respiratory hazards of marijuana and tobacco smoke are due to toxic byproducts of combustion, not the active ingredients in the plant, known as cannabinoids.

The study suggests that medical marijuana patients can avoid the respiratory hazards of smoking by using a vaporizer. In its 1999 report on medical marijuana, the Institute of Medicine recommended against long-term use of smoked marijuana because of the health risks of smoking. However, the IOM failed to take account of vaporizers.

Previous studies have found that vaporizers can reduce harmful toxins in cannabis smoke. However this is the first study to analyze the gas phase of the vapor for a wide range of toxins. A previous NORML/MAPS study conducted by Chemic Labs found that a vaporizer known as the M-1 Volatizer® (www.volatizer.com) completely eliminated three specific toxins (naphthalene, benzene and toluene) in. the solid phase of the vapor (D. Gieringer, "Cannabis Vaporization: A Promising Strategy for Smoke Harm Reduction," Journal of Cannabis Therapeutics Vol. 1#3-4: 153-70 (2001); http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/vaporizerstudy1.html).

The new study used a gas chromatograph mass spectrometer (GCMS) to examine the gas components of the vapor. .The analysis showed that the Volcano® vapor was remarkably clean, consisting 95% of THC with traces of cannabinol (CBN), another cannabinoid. The remaining 5% consisted of small amounts of three other components: one suspected cannabinoid relative, one suspected PAH, and caryophyllene, a fragrant oil in cannabis and other plants. In contrast over 111 different components appeared in the gas of the combusted smoke, including a half dozen known PAHs. Non-cannabinoids accounted for as much as 88% of the total gas content of the smoke.

The study used standard NIDA cannabis with 4% THC content. A quantitative analysis found that the Volcano® delivered 46% of the THC into vapor following three 45-second exposures of the sample to the heat. This compares favorably with the typical efficiency of marijuana cigarettes as observed in other studies, which depending on conditions can fall below 25% due to loss of THC in sidestream smoke. An important feature of the Volcano® is that it uses a balloon to capture the vapor, thereby avoiding leakage to the air. It is possible that higher THC efficiencies could have been reached with the Volcano® by stirring the sample around and exposing it to more heat.

The combusted sample achieved a relatively high THC efficiency of 78% upon complete combustion. The high efficiency seems due to the fact that the sample was completely consumed by combustion, and that smoke leakage was effectively prevented by the laboratory setup. Similar conditions do not obtain under normal circumstances when a marijuana cigarette is smoked and much of the THC is lost to the air or left in the unburned "roach."

Two other cannabinoids , cannabidiol (CBD) and cannabinol (CBN), were detected in the NIDA cannabis in trace amounts of 0.1%. Both the Volcano® and combustion delivered an apparent increase in CBD and CBN, but the variance of the data was too high to reach statistically significant conclusions.

Sponsors believe that the study results lend support for wider use of vaporizers by medical marijuana patients and researchers. At present, the only FDA-approved method for administering marijuana to human research subjects is via smoking NIDA cigarettes. NORML and MAPS are supporting efforts to have vaporizers approved by the FDA. As a first step in this effort, Dr. Donald Abrams of the University of California, San Francisco, has submitted a grant proposal to the California Center for Medical Cannabis Research in San Diego to test the Volcano® in human subjects. If the protocol is funded and the Volcano® approved by the FDA for human research, it will be the first human study using a vaporizer. If the FDA requests additional laboratory data about the Volcano@, additional funding may be necessary."

For more information , see

http://www.maps.org/mmj/vaporizer.html

http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/vaporizers.html


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#409149 - 01/29/08 03:14 PM Re: They took Sols Bone [Re: hohbomb73]
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I certainly don't know for sure but I have heard that the vaporizers are the best thing since rolling papers. No harsh taste, cool vapors, minimum useage of herb and near instant head rush.There is an adapter available to plug into a 12v outlet.
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#409166 - 01/29/08 03:57 PM Re: They took Sols Bone [Re: Chuck E]
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according to the pdr (physicians desktop reference) cannabis helps treat asthma among other things and there is no mention of it causing cancer and i
still don't understand why they throw good people in jail for smoking\eating a plant that helps them

http://www.pdrhealth.com/drugs/altmed/al...s&contentId=512
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#409169 - 01/29/08 04:00 PM Re: They took Sols Bone [Re: Chuck E]
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Pretty interesting stuff there. Wonder how much of a difference they really make?
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#409171 - 01/29/08 04:10 PM Re: They took Sols Bone [Re: hohbomb73]
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Cubersome, just use a bong. Ever look at bong water? Probably not as good as a vaporizer, but it filters out all the particulate blow though better than the fish flute.

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#409172 - 01/29/08 04:14 PM Re: They took Sols Bone [Re: fuzzygrub]
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'eating a plant '

Hmmmmm....brownies! A good use for powered stems.
So I've heard.
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#409189 - 01/29/08 05:13 PM Re: They took Sols Bone [Re: Chuck E]
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Do you have to smoke it or can you just chew it up and eat it?
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#409207 - 01/29/08 05:42 PM Re: They took Sols Bone [Re: Dave D]
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Has to be "cooked" to really activate the THC
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#409208 - 01/29/08 05:44 PM Re: They took Sols Bone [Re: Dave D]
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 Originally Posted By: Dave D
Do you have to smoke it or can you just chew it up and eat it?


You can make weed brownies...

Just eat em like any other brownie...

Vaporizers are a little pricy though from what I hear...

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#409210 - 01/29/08 05:46 PM Re: They took Sols Bone [Re: Chuck E]
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 Originally Posted By: Chuck E
There is an adapter available to plug into a 12v outlet.

Where?????????
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#409218 - 01/29/08 06:02 PM Re: They took Sols Bone [Re: hohbomb73]
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Clearly all Sol needs to do is get a Volcano vaporizer, and he can get high well into old age.

PAHs are bad. What would be useful for the study to mention is how much PAH you inhale walking one block in downtown Seattle compared to how much PAH you inhale using weed recreationally, say on weekends. It's not like we're going to avoid PAHs in our systems by not smoking weed. It's not the only source, and I'd expect petrochemical products to give off a lot more - altho we don't roll it up in a joint and smoke it, but you can't be anywhere cars and buses are and not breath it.

I like the idea of cannabis research. They're gonna' find out it isn't good for you, just like almost everything is not good for you. The upshot is that they're gonna' find that cannabis is one of the least bad things for people, and that's the conclusion the control freaks want to avoid.

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#409219 - 01/29/08 06:02 PM Re: They took Sols Bone [Re: hohbomb73]
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Hey Man....It's cool...

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Any marine place will have inverters for sale. You just need to figure out how big of one you need. I've got one you can try. It will run most stuff but pops with something like a coffee maker.

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#409241 - 01/29/08 07:00 PM Re: They took Sols Bone [Re: Salmo g.]
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Guess which is worse for contributing to people's death, weed or stress? My guess is the guy who goes through life a stressed-out mess is going to die long before me.

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#410233 - 02/01/08 10:46 PM Re: They took Sols Bone [Re: Sol]
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Hahahaha haha ha

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i belive that you need to cook the butter with the herbs when making brownies...mmmmmm...brownies and ice cream...mmmm...c
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