#408736 - 01/28/08 05:11 PM
Re: Blending in with King County commuters
[Re: Sol Duc]
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Spawner
Registered: 04/02/01
Posts: 493
Loc: sammamish WA
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So what are people that drive for a living supposed to do??
Question of the day since Washingtonians consider light rail & mass transit a Commie Plot. (Especially since almost none of them have ever had to use it.) Gee, I wonder why that is? A 11 billion dollar West Seattle to Ballard line...including engineering and trains being bought from the French! Then they piss away 250 million down the drain with nothing to show but egg on their face! Well said, but it needs to be built. Ironic that it's your 520th post.
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#408750 - 01/28/08 05:29 PM
Re: Blending in with King County commuters
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/08/99
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If I ran the show:
All on and off ramps would be on the right hand side of the freeway. There would be no four lanes, down to three lanes, down to two lanes. The Seattle powers were plenty willing to use immenent domain for the monorail now we'd see it used where needed. Highway 99 would become an actual highway again. No cities or districts would be allowed to add stop lights. Ferries would pay for themselves which may slow down rampant development across the pond. I'd wait for the viaduc to fall down then, using emminent domain again, tear down all of the condos and replace it with a much larger viaduc. Bulldozers would be stationed along the freeways and highways. Blocking a lane you get bulldozed off to the side. Tow them away after rush hour. I'd discourage and maybe even penalize cities like Seattle and Bellevue who try very hard to concentrate all big business in one area creating commuting nightmares. Finally, I'd launder, I mean fund, billions of dollars to select friends in order to perform a "feesability study" for development of a Star Trek type of teleporter to, once and for all, resolve traffic headaches, climate change and pollution. Coincidentally the study will be completed about the time I retire.
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#408816 - 01/28/08 07:57 PM
Re: Blending in with King County commuters
[Re: stlhead]
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WINNER
Registered: 01/11/03
Posts: 10363
Loc: Olypen
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How about this?......Didn't Alaska stop selling land ?.....I know that the Growth Management Act screwed a lot of landowners out the possibility to develop, but maybe we need to crank up that concept? If people didn't have a place to live, they would have to leave, right? hmmmmmm In fact, if the State bought out all the sellers, and refused to allow further construction, wouldn't that send some of those out-of-state imports elsewhere? (I'm kinda liking this... ) Less folks = less traffic, less cops, less government.....more fish for me......is there a down side?
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#408826 - 01/28/08 08:14 PM
Re: Blending in with King County commuters
[Re: ParaLeaks]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/15/00
Posts: 2952
Loc: Olalla, WA
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Less folks = less traffic, less cops, less government.....more fish for me......is there a down side? Yup, "The State" is made up of you and me and a pile of others that would have to fork out the money to buyout all the sellers! I have a simpler solution: licenses to have kids and limits!
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#409225 - 01/29/08 06:15 PM
Re: Blending in with King County commuters
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13515
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OW,
Right, it is a breeze for those who are willing to not rely on a car to get to and from the BART stations. Yeah, it's funny how the middle and upper classes don't want to resign themselves to public transit. An observer has to assume they prefer gridlock, cuz that's the obvious consequence.
Hankster,
If you're handicapped I apologize in advance. It ain't about what we desire for transit. I desire a chaffeur driven Bentley to take me to and from work, but that ain't a happenin' thing either. I know a guy who works as a logger, and instead of riding in the jitney with the other loggers to the work site from the road parking area (typically 4-6 miles of logging road) he rides his moutain bike and then operates machinery and loads trucks all day, rides back to his car, and then joins us for a 30 mile road bike training ride twice a week in spring and summer. I'm saying the bike commute would more likely extend your life. Fortunately you moved into the city. Otherwise you could do as most commuters do, just b!tch about it, cuz traffic will get worse and not better.
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#409337 - 01/30/08 01:16 AM
Re: Blending in with King County commuters
[Re: ParaLeaks]
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Spawner
Registered: 10/26/02
Posts: 908
Loc: Idaho
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How about this?......Didn't Alaska stop selling land ?.....I know that the Growth Management Act screwed a lot of landowners out the possibility to develop, but maybe we need to crank up that concept? If people didn't have a place to live, they would have to leave, right? hmmmmmm In fact, if the State bought out all the sellers, and refused to allow further construction, wouldn't that send some of those out-of-state imports elsewhere? (I'm kinda liking this... ) Less folks = less traffic, less cops, less government.....more fish for me......is there a down side? Yeah they'd come to oregon and F up are traffic worse than you washingtonians! I did a very scientific study in my recent travels on I-5 around oregon.. Every time the left lane was tied up by some 58 mph driving Jack ass (pissing me off was the scientific trigger for this study) I read the liscense plate. 90% of them were from washington, the rest were born during the great depression! I moved 5 minutes away from my office and as much I dislike city life, I really enjoy the commute with no gridlock.
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#409365 - 01/30/08 10:58 AM
Re: Blending in with King County commuters
[Re: Salmo g.]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 6732
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It's like alcoholism with a plague of locusts. It needs to hit rock bottom and have the locusts move on to plague some other area before it gets better.
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#409486 - 01/30/08 06:24 PM
Re: Blending in with King County commuters
[Re: stlhead]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 10/19/05
Posts: 404
Loc: port ludlow
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As far as the courtesy side of traffic goes, I would think that a lot could be improved with just enforcement and awareness of the existing laws (impeding traffic, merging, etc). When you get into the issue of gridlock, that delivers an entirely different logistical challenge of improving commute time with little or no ability to expand our current infrastructure. As much as I hate to sound like the Socialist EU traffic Nazi, I have to say that they were much smarter in developing, and continuing to develop new railways that span the entire continent, actually more if you count the other side of the Urals. Over there, you have a traffic light for pedestrians, one for bicycles and finally one for traffic in the inner city, with mass transit generally occurring below ground. People follow the traffic laws at the intersections and on the roadways, and unless you're willing to pay about 10/gallon for petrol, you take the train everywhere, because it goes everywhere. We as a nation will never be able to afford the labor to put this together here without going trillions again into debt. The last time we sent railway expansion across the nation, or labor was much cheaper (see immigrant/slave labor). There's also that pesky eminent domain issue (jk, I wouldn't want them taking my house for a railway either, unless they paid what I was asking, not what they were willing to give). That's not to say that they don't have commuter problems as well, it's faster to walk from Waterloo to Heathrow than it is to get a cab from Parliment to Westminster Abbey. But if they didn't have that infrastructure, it would be much, much worse. At the end of the day, there's nothing we can do about overcrowded commutes until we send you to a road crew when you sign up for selective service. So, it's moot. Doesn't mean that you couldn't express a little courtesy to the other minions out there trying to make an honest living. I'm gonna buy a yurt and apply for a ski patrol position, that'll fix everything.
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