In another thread we had a lot of fun discussing the election. It was so obvious that we a still set to do the same thing over and over and getting the same results. I feel this guy comes closest to realizing and explaining the disfunction than most. It's worth checking out. Not asking anyone to accept his views, but is a good history lesson that many can relate to. BTW, I'm all for higher education and spiritual growth.

http://www.redroom.com/video/tim-wise-creation-whiteness-clip

Are ducks racist?

Ok, so I got into a coffee break discussion at work the other day.
The topic was race, integration and inter-racial marriage.
Dicey topic eh?
One woman says that she admits that she is more likely to be comfortable in a setting with people of her own race than say a congregation of black people.
I can see the other openly liberal woman shaking her head in disagreement..
I say "thank you for having the courage to speak your mind."

Anyway, I (Mr. politically incorrect) finally chime in.
I blurd out that I believe that is natures way and that man thinks that because of his mental superiority, can override the genetic programing instilled in us by mother nature.
Is there not a programing device in our DNA that is there to protect sub specie diversity?
Look at waterfowl.
You have a migration where thousands of birds come together.
All of them are ducks.
Within the flock, you have mallards, pintails, gadwalls, widgeons, canvasbacks, bluebills etc...
They will all migrate together, but upon touchdown, will separate into smaller groups of birds of their own subspecies (not 100%, but close).
Very rarely will they ever interbreed.
Is this racism?
No, it is an internally programed behavior designed to keep the purity and survival of the subspecies intact.
Overly domesticated ducks interbreed at will creating all sorts of intermingled characteristics.
Is it our advanced mental capacity the tries to be inclusive of all races and avoid the social taboos of being labeled a racist (which BTW is the most socially abhorrent label of all by today's standards) Or is it a genetically programmed racial integrity device deep within our DNA that our highly developed thought capabilities are trying to override due to social pressures?

As far as the blight suffered by minorities in this country?
Very similar situation I believe.

We have been conditioned by society to be colorblind.

You are an outcast for thinking differently.

I believe that despite our present culture and the horrendous social implications of being labeled a racist, there is a tribal mentality that was programed into our DNA eons ago that as a society we are trying to overcome.
If I as a white person were to move to the Australian outback and try to fit in with an Aboriginal tribe , do you think I would be given equal opportunities and all the same rights as a native born son?
Should I then cry bloody murder that the the majority did not fully accept me and give me full opportunity?
If I were to go the the Masai tribe in Tanzania, and try to fit in as a tribesman or the polar north and try to intermingle with the native peoples, do you believe that I would be given true acceptance?
Very unlikely.
Like it or nor the white skinned devil is the majority in this nation.
For eternity minorities will struggle with that fact and the deep rooted self preservation mechanism that I believe is present in every human being will be an obstacle they will have to fight to overcome.
I believe there is some truth in Mr. Wise's speech, however that truth, much like any other personal belief is intermingled with his own social and political standards.
Myself, I give what I get.
Everyone starts out on an equal playing field, white, mexican, black, asian whatever, your actions and behavior dictate the human being that I label.
Just my thoughts on the race subject.
Sal

That's mighty white of ya.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Dcr8dm9Prkk&feature=related

IF A CANDIDATE IS KNOWN BY THE PASTOR THEY KEEP


When the Rev. William Procanick put his hand on the
Bible during his sex-abuse trial in Oneida County Court
earlier this year, he swore to tell the whole truth and
nothing but the truth. But as the former Clinton pastor
was sentenced Friday to three years in prison for
inappropriately touching a 7-year-old girl at his home
last March, Judge Michael L. Dwyer said Procanick
sacrificed his honesty the day he testified.

Okay, so now that Bill and Hillary Clinton's pastor has
been convicted of child molestation, will we see the
same furor directed at Hillary that Obama has had to
endure these last few weeks?

Here the CLINTON'S Pastor is convicted of child
molestation.

So, if Obama bears the guilt for his pastor's comments,
then Hillary has to be equally tainted by this guy's
crimes,


Subject: The TRUTH about Jeremiah Wright 911 comments


'...we bombed Nagasaki, we bombed Hiroshima...' It should be noted that the comments by Jeremiah Wright on 911 that have been replayed thousands of times through the news media and millions over the Internet, '...we bombed Hiroshima we bombed Nagasaki...the chickens have come home to roast' is actually a quotation.

The original remark was made by Edward Peck,
a Caucasian former US ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of Ronald Reagan's terrorism task force. His remarks which were made on FOX News are as follows:

'We took this country by terror away from the Sioux, the Apache, Arikara, the Comanche, the Arapaho, the Navajo.

Terrorism. 'We took Africans away from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear.

Terrorism'.We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians, babies, non-military personnel .'We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers and killed unarmed teenage and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard working fathers.

'We bombed Qaddafi's home, and killed his child. Blessed are they who bash your children's head against the rock.

'We bombed Iraq. We killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to pay back for the attack on our embassy, killed hundreds of hard working people, mothers and fathers who left home to go that day not knowing that they'd never get back home.

'We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye. 'Kids playing in the playground. Mothers picking up children after school. Civilians, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day.

'We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff that we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost.

'Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y'all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people we have wounded don't have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that. 'The media has cherry picked sound bites from a sermon that are quotations of respectable white US diplomat with 32 years of foreign service in order to demonize the Reverend Wright and damage Barack Obama in the general election.

In the link below is a video clip from the 911 sermon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

After watching this video, in contrast to the clips being played, you truly understand the underhanded nature of the media. I'm truly amazed that no media network has reported the Obama's reverend's comments were not his own but a quotation. The job of the media is to report the TRUTH and after a full week not one these anchors/pundits/commentators on any network has even bothered to take the time to listen to the sermon they are indicting the man for. As far as I'm concerned they're all as bad as FOX. And every time I hear the question 'why didn't he leave the church?' I can't help but wonder why didn't the nearly 80 million professed Catholics in the US leave their Church when they found out their church leadership had been involved in cover up of hundreds of priests who admitted to molesting little boys for decades by simply moving offending priests to new parishes until enough complaints built then moving them on again and again. What I wanna know, is why is Obama the only person being asked these questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

Excellent points JLH. "The truth? The truth? You can't handle the truth."
You should write that to the editor of our local news papers.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0404wrightapr03,0,225570.story


http://inspiredvoter.com/2008/03/21/bill-clinton-jeremiah-wright-photographed-together/

Who is Jack Schitt?


Many people are at a loss for a response when someone says, “You don’t know
Jack Schitt”. Soon you will be able to handle this situation.

The lineage revealed….

Jack is the only son of Awe Schitt and O. Schitt. Awe Schitt, the fertilizer
magnate, married O. Schitt, the owner of Knee-Deep Schitt, Inc.

In turn, Jack Schitt married Noe Schitt and the deeply religious couple produced
six children: Holie, the twins Deep and Dip, Fulla, Giva and Bull Schitt.

Against his parents’ strong objections, Deep Schitt married Dumb Schitt, a
high school dropout.

After being married for 15 years, Jack and Noe divorced. Noe Schitt married Mr.
Scherlock and because her kids were living with them, she decided to keep her
previous name. She became known as Noe Schitt-Scherlock.

Dip Schitt married Loda Schitt and they produced a cowardly son—Chick (Chick
N. Schitt).

Fulla Schitt and Giva Schitt were inseparable throughout childhood and
consequently married the Happens brothers in a dual ceremony.

The Schitt-Happens children are Dawg, Byrd and Horse Schitt.

Bull Schitt, the prodigal son, left home to tour the world. He recently
returned with his new Italian bride, Pisa Schitt.

Now when someone says that you don’t know Jack Schitt, you can correct them
and ask if they are related to any of the above.

[quote=blue water pro]Sal,
I would like to present an argument that humans are smarter than ducks but you must know that. What you say is common in the promotion of racism handed down generation after generation.

I have a yellow lab who mates with my black lab. Black cats mate with white cats, striped with spotted. I thought animals were color blind, maybe not."

I engage in this topic not to expound racist beliefs, but to open dialog and step back and question what is put forth as fact carved in stone by many.

I believe no race to be superior to another, only more specifically designed to each one's particular native habitat.

Domestic animals in my opinion have had their inate natural survival mechanisms blurred by centuries of cross breeding and genitic manipulation.
What my point is , is are we as a human society trying to out think the natural programing of our biological instincts?
Are the negative social connotations
connected with terms such as "racist" and "bigot" actually a man made way of bypassing what is programmed into the depths of our DNA?
I have no schooling on this matter, but have wondered to myself these questions.
I catch "Hell" from fundamentalist types for my athiestic beliefs.
As I believe we are highly developed animals and NOT special creatures that are decendants of God.

I question why deer, waterfowl, African antelope, assorted birds etc... seek to be with their own subspecies for interaction and reproduction (not 100% but close) while in the the modern politically correct human society we have come to a point where we believe that we are all exactly the same with only the tone of our skin being different.
Not often I have ever openly discussed this and certainly don't want to turn it into something ugly as I said earlier I'm no racist or seperatist, only a person wonering aloud.

http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/narrative/section2.rhtml

Douglass knows only that his father is a white man, though many people say that his master is his father. He explains that slaveholders often impregnate their female slaves. A law ensures that mixed‑race children become slaves like their mothers. Thus slaveholders actually profit from this practice of rape, as it increases the number of slaves they own. Douglass explains that such mixed‑race slaves have a worse lot than other slaves, as the slaveholder’s wife, insulted by their existence, ensures that they either suffer constantly or are sold off. Douglass considers that the existence of such a large population of mixed-race slaves contradicts arguments that justify American slavery through the supposed inferiority of the African race.
Douglass’s first master is Captain Anthony. The Captain’s overseer, Mr. Plummer, is a drunk and a cruel man who carries a whip and cudgel with him and often uses them on slaves. The Captain himself is cruel as well. Douglass recalls the Captain frequently whipping Douglass’s Aunt Hester. Douglass recalls feeling like both a witness to and a participant in the abuse the first time he ever saw it. He remembers this moment as his introduction into the hellish world of slavery. Douglass cannot, even now, describe what he felt while watching Aunt Hester’s whipping.
Douglass recalls a particularly violent episode of the Captain whipping Aunt Hester. The Captain calls for Hester at night and finds that she has gone out with a slave named Ned, against the Captain’s orders. Douglass implies that the Captain has a particular sexual interest in Hester, who is quite beautiful. The Captain brings Hester home, strips her to the waist, ties her, and whips her until her blood drips on the floor. Young Douglass is so terrified by the scene that he hides in a closet, hoping he will not be whipped next.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jefferson/true/primer.html

Nonspecific DNA Results Link "Some" Jefferson.
Dr. Foster found that there was a match between the male descendants of Uncle Field Jefferson and those of Sally Heming's youngest son, Eston Hemings. However there was no match between the male descendants of Tom Woodson, Sally Hemings' first-born son. The nephews' heirs also did not match any of the others, and neither did the neighbors' descendants. Dr. Foster concluded that "the simplest and most probable explanation for our molecular findings are that Thomas Jefferson, rather than one of the Carr brothers, was the father of Eston Hemings Jefferson, and that Thomas Woodson was not Thomas Jefferson's son."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrYlNNy929Y&feature=related

Your statement is absolutely correct! We are the products of our own experience. That experience is limited to the quality of the information going into our personal knowledge base. We defend this information as the absolute truth in our daily lives. We will sacrifice our lives, based on information that may be false, because we are in denial, and also for the purpose of protecting our ego. An ego, that's likely wrapped in a blanket of lies. Thoses blankets can represent, Religion, Flag, Race, Sex, and a endless number of other subjects. Each one laced with insufficient data, or data not proper assimilated , resulting in dysfunction. After all, much of the contents in our perceived truth's account, could in actuality be big fat lies. Our ego can cause us to cast a blind eye, to our own inhumanity towards others, as well as ourselves, when our accounts fall short on real truth's, knowledge or experience. This result's in errors and delussions, that are a direct result of insufficient, or faulty and tainted data in our account. Once our data bank is corrupted, we are prone to mistakes ( some severe), when we are required to make qualified decisions, that are logical, rational, moral, or in the best interest of ourselves as well as all humanity.

We need to delete the false data in our mental data bank, and be willing to upload better, more reliable data when appropriate. That's called being teachable, and open to spiritual and moral growth. Both are human qualities that are revered by moral people around the world. We do this (delete bad data), so that bad data doesn't skew the whole works, and cause dysfunction when we do a search of our data base looking for the right programs, or guidance and direction. Ultimately, it's the responsibility of the individual, to download and monitor their own data bank, in order to function properly when interacting with others in a civilized and humane society.

Playing follow the leader, if that leaders data base is loaded with viruses, is a poor choice if it results in harm or permanent damage, to our own data bank. In that situation (leader's virus affecting entire network), the only virus protection available, is the protection of a healing heart that's regularly upgraded with spirituality, and having a healthy respect for all of God's creation.



I'm in agreement with all you say. Kudo's for looking inside for a truth, that most civilized people recognize as human, appropriate and non toxic. You don't measure the human spirit with a DNA test.

{Quote}: "Playing follow the leader, if that leaders data base is loaded with viruses, is a poor choice if it results in harm or permanently damage, to our own data bank. In that situation (leader's virus affecting entire network), the only virus protection available, is the protection of a healing heart that's regularly upgraded with spirituality, and having a healthy respect for all of God's creation. " {End Quote}

Could not then organized religion be considered "playing follow the leader"?
I consider religion to be hope.
People who live ther life in harsh conditions lean on religion more as a hope for their future and hope that the next life will be better than the meager one they are experiencing, creating a fearless pathway into the next world in their minds.
Wouldn't this explain the radical muslim's eagerness to leave this world and move on to the paradise awaiting them?
I believe religion to be a good thing for some that use it to expand love and compassion toward others and not so good for those that use it as a wedge to divide those with other beliefs.

My paradise is right here right now.

I step foot in Heaven from time to time and am satisfied to live with the consequences of an eternity of emptiness upon my passing knowing I have enjoyed and consumed beauty beyond description and a full and satisfying life.

Don't get me wrong, I am reverent in my spirituality, however it is a personal spituality based on my absolute love of Mother Nature.
I believe there was nothing but a void before my birth and will be nothing after I die.
I will simply cease to exist except for the memories instilled in my friends, family and aquaintances with my ashes simply returning to nutrients in mother nature's cycle.

Acording to some I'm doomed to burn in the fires of Hell for breaking out of the lockstep of organized religion.
Don't believe in heaven or hell, I believe you make those places for yourself here on Earth in your short stay.

Man's mind is an incredible thing, what other creature contemplates his existence?
Unfortunatley it is that overly developed brain that may doom himself and the rest of the wonderful creatures that we share this planet with.
Hope I'm nutrients well before that day.

Perhaps a Wildabeast being chased down by a hungry lion? Why would the fuc%er run, otherwise.

Life is bliss no matter who or where you live! A view of paradise from another perspective.

http://www.aistigave.hit.bg/Logistics/

Nice bwp!

My own personal choice for finding bliss is when the lady and I are practicing Kriya Tantra Yoga techniques together. Tantra Yoga allows us, (guy's especially) to prolong (your choice) "bliss," and our partners dig it even more. Get my drift?

I thought I was on your ignore list.

Besides I was addressing bwp, as he had addressed me, that is if it's OK with you. Thank you!

Before he edited his post, there was a video of a beautiful lady singing and dancing that he pointed out to ME (JLH) as being blissful. It reminded me of Tantra and I responded with "nice." You need to keep up if you want to talk man talk with men.

It seems that you are way more proficient at talking man talk (XXX) to the World on a regular basis via this site and the Internet than most here. Why was it not required of bwp to do the same in the message he addressed to me, that he later deleted of the beautiful dancing and sexy white lady (as he put it) that he thought was bliss for him?

Never mind! All you choose to do is target me, that is after a couple of weeks ago, telling members and the World that I was on your Ignore list. When you clicked on the thread you knew it was one of my posts that you were clicking onto, yet you still clicked on it and then decide to play this holier than thy bullsh!t. Man you are really showing just how miserable you are by practicing and acting out the ugly ole troll behavior.

You have been way more graphic and descriptive in conversations on this board about all things manly, and you seem to be attracted to any thread with a potential XXX rating posted by men, while inviting others (WWW) with an offer of cookies to come join in the fun. But,...... when I mention to another member Tantra Yoga, you pretend to be highly offended. To be more specific, Bliss is often associated with this form of Yoga. Not sure why anyone would be offended at prolonging bliss, unless that person doesn't want to be reminded that they are incapable of experiencing bliss. If that's your case then I am sorry for bwp's and I sharing our thoughts on bliss. BTW, it is not my intention to offend any disabled or retarded person.

If you are so concerned that X rated material not be discussed in this forum, then why don't you address it to yourself first, and then to the rest of the board. I wouldn't be surprised if 5000 of the 10,000 posts that you have made to this forum was an (XXX). Now you are telling me that it offends you and is undesirable.

Again, you place both of your feet in a big pile of ugly__, but then again what else should I expect from you but ugly and nasty when it comes to addressing me.

You probably wont be reading this because of your pledge to not respond and to ignore my posts,... however, I think your reading it would help you to realize that what's going on between your ears and between another location (I wont mention) is the need for a major 10,000 posts tune-up. May I suggest Kriya Tantra Yoga?