My suspicion is that the radical 2nd Amendment interpretors amongst us will find this heinous, that unsuspecting, and unsuspected gun owners are being looked at merely because they own a Glock .40, not because there is any evidence whatsoever that they have participated in any crimes whatsoever, gun crimes or otherwise.

Am I right?

I bet I'd also be right that these very same offended folks do not find any problem whatsoever with racial profiling, especially of folks of Arab descent, or blacks, even though they, too, are unsuspecting and unsuspected people who are are being looked at because of their race, not because there is any evidence whatsoever that they have participated in any crimes whatsoever.

Am I also right on this?

The fuzz never would have been able to get a warrant to demand to see everyone's gun, so that's why they had to do it on a voluntary basis...I hope they're smart enough to not be too suspicious of those who choose not to participate, for whatever reason they choose...if they want to think someone is guilty of something, they better have enough evidence to get a warrant and go and seize the gun.

Oh, by the way...the Patriot Act makes it much easier for the cops to "sneak and peek" at these gun owners homes and guns, even without a warrant...and as heinous as this crime was, no one in their right mind would ever call the perp a terrorist.

My third guess is that the same folks who would be pissed about that are also folks who think that the Patriot Act is a good idea, and don't mind giving up the rights of others to "protect the Homeland"...they just didn't think it would ever come home to roost.

Profiling, sneak and peek invasions of privacy...they look a lot different when your demographic is on the block, don't they?

Fish on...

Todd

RWWJ's love Totalitarianism as long as it's brown people that go to a different church that get the boot in the face.
As soon as Bubba gets the business end of the politics he supported it's 'Militia' this and 'Libertarian' that.

No doubt true...the "if you're doing nothing illegal, you have nothing to hide!" comments always start to ring a little hollow when they get tossed right back in their faces like this.

Fish on...

Todd

Irie, its obvious, you know nothing about history and you know even less about republicans in todays world. Calling people racist rolls off the tongues of liberals easily and frequently. How ironic, the democrat party allowed a former KKK leader to sit in the senate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#Passage_in_the_House_of_Representatives

Passage in the House of Representatives

The bill was sent to the House of Representatives, and referred to the House Judiciary Committee, chaired by Emmanuel Celler. After a series of hearings on the bill, Celler's committee greatly strengthened the act, adding provisions to ban racial discrimination in employment. The bill was reported out of the Judiciary Committee in November 1963, but was then referred to the Rules Committee, whose chairman, Howard W. Smith, a Democrat from Virginia, indicated his intention to keep the bill bottled up indefinitely.

The bill was brought to a vote in the House on February 10, 1964, and passed by a vote of 290 to 130, and sent to the Senate.

The original House version:[9]

Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)


The bill came before the full Senate for debate on March 30, 1964 and the "Southern Bloc" of southern Senators led by Richard Russell (D-GA) launched a filibuster to prevent its passage. Said Russell "We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality and intermingling and amalgamation of the races in our (Southern) states."[5]

After 54 days of filibuster, Senators Everett Dirksen (R-IL), Thomas Kuchel (R-CA), Hubert Humphrey (D-MN), and Mike Mansfield (D-MT) introduced a substitute bill that they hoped would attract enough Republican votes to end the filibuster. The compromise bill was weaker than the House version in regards to government power to regulate the conduct of private business, but it was not so weak as to cause the House to reconsider the legislation.[6]

On the morning of June 10, 1964, Senator Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) completed an address that he had begun 14 hours and 13 minutes earlier opposing the legislation. Until then, the measure had occupied the Senate for 57 working days, including six Saturdays. A day earlier, Democratic Whip Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota, the bill's manager, concluded he had the 67 votes required at that time to end the debate and end the filibuster. With six wavering senators providing a four-vote victory margin, the final tally stood at 71 to 29. Never in history had the Senate been able to muster enough votes to cut off a filibuster on a civil rights bill. And only once in the 37 years since 1927 had it agreed to cloture for any measure.[7]

The Senate version:[9]

Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:[9]

Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)

Are you really comparing the mid-60's Republicans to the Republicans of today?

If so, then you are even more whacked than I would have originally thought...the fact that they both go by the moniker "Republican" is the only thing that those two vastly different groups share.

Next your gonna tell us that Dumbya is Abraham Lincoln reincarnated...I mean, after all, they're both Republicans...right?

Right.

Fish on...

Todd

My suspicion is that the radical 2nd Amendment interpretors amongst us will find this heinous, Quote Todd.

This statement from a former NRA member and gun owner. Par for the course. Nothing in the middle, no logic 100% emotion.


I bet I'd also be right that these very same offended folks do not find any problem whatsoever with racial profiling, especially of folks of Arab descent, or blacks, even though they, too, are unsuspecting and unsuspected people who are are being looked at because of their race, not because there is any evidence whatsoever that they have participated in any crimes whatsoever. Todd Quote

Aside from calling most of the readers, racists, you leave out the correct comparison. All black men would have to submit to a DNA test voluntarily.
Your philisophical outlook of police being smart and having warrants etc, is not relative, its 100% conjecture and wishful thinking. Gun owners should not have to allow this and watch and wait for authorities to use this information to remove guns later. The list, wont go away. In kind, Blacks should not have to wonder and wait for the DNA to be used against them in future cases, even though the example is theory and use to prove the comparison.

You really are despicable. For a person with two degrees and a new business to support, you have convinced me, you have no clue how to run a business or create a customer in a forum. So far you have alienated cca members and gun owners and many republicans.

Yer a dipshit. How's that?

If you would read, rather than pontificate, you'd note that I don't think that those gun owners should have to donate themselves or their guns to research.

Just like I don't think Arabs or blacks should have to be presumed guilty until they prove themselves innocent.

I'm thankful for your deep insight into running a business...I'll make a note of it.

Fish on...

Todd

Welcome home, Hank.

Wow...this is really good stuff. youguys really go at it. Thats why i dont vote...and why i dont talk about politics. White people all around just do stupid S#### all the time. Time and time again through history we continually change what we think is "right" and "ok" from blacks at the back of the bus to checking Arabs bags. From illegal search and seizures to the governement wasting billions of dollars on...lies

---Racial Profiling----
Honestly...if a guy were shot in Hilltop tacoma right off of 6th ave...and the car seen leaving was an elcamino on wire rims....it doesnt take rocket science police work to deduce what the race of the perp is. thats just common sense.

No white guy has ever held a plane hostage......EVER...no black guy...EVER....( i just googled it to make sure..a few in africa...duh)so when your worried about plane safety in america...its just common sense right?

if you were a robot and you had no emotions and you just went off statistics and the laws of probability..... think about who you would look for in a plane hijjacking situation.

who gives a flying S### what race they are. we are all humans.


I personally dont really care...its gone to far to begin with...who cares who gets it more? theres a microscope up everyones ass now. why just B**** about the guns. Look at your new (99 and up) car...it now is linked to a satellite. they now where your at at all times. Cameras everywhere. Patriot Act. To many people think that a tighter fist is needed to control the populus and keep order. So they just keep tightening the fist. Think about the movie Minority Report. Its a very real thing of the future. Nobody wants to work together...its against everyone to see how much money you can have and screw the guy next to you ( oil companies, government, large corporations that fund what is really going on) Then they get us bitching at each other about stupid S****.

WHO CARES!?!? a vote doesnt even matter anymore. Look at our elections nowadays...who wins? the person with the most money, media coverage. The most commercials. Look at who you vote for now... the person who's commercial struck you the best...or crap they promised..you just REALLY believed him when he talked about health care..."i think he can really do it..." WHY!?!? because every other jackass thats gotten up there has said the same SH**.your probably waiting for the next debate at home right now so you can form your silly little opinion on the words that come out of their mouths. its not about the right guy for the job or the most skill. Your telling me out of 350 million people we couldnt find someone better than George W???? are you F***** kidding me?!?! But people bought his Bulls**** because he made an impression through media...

now look...


guns are fun. in the wrong hands they kill people...but how do you police it? why not just work together. Who cares if they want you to come in and fire your weapon to appease Johnny Law. it wont kill you...stop being so prideful and getting your panties in a bunch about sh** that doesnt matter. No i dont think they should be able to FORCE you to come in but at the same time they wouldnt have to if we as people would stop being such retards and just work with the system. come in "bang bang...give the guy 20$ so he can buy a nascar ticket and be on his way" how frickin hard was that? you guys voted for the jackasses that make these laws...time to start ante'ing up and following them. You think Obama is gonna make it all better? or mCain who only chose a women to gain support. You think he really cared who she was? he had known her all of...6 months. he knows hes behind the eight ball and he's scrambling to gain some sort of advantage. It was a shock....AND THE MEDIA WENT CRAZY WITH IT...FREE PUBLICITY!!!

i am so tired of all this political crap. damn TV's, they should be used for movies and emergency's. that way over 65% of americans that are obese and overweight would have to get off their F******* cans and do something productive. Our kids would get raised by real people instead of TV. they would have a real sense of what is real and acceptable in society instead of the garbage that they get everyday from TV. Then we wouldnt have some idiot in the office because we would be able to make an educated decision based on facts instead of what the media crams down our throat everyday.

Whoa.

Lead Eater, thanks for reminding me to send in my order, one of my faves opens up in 2 weeks.

i definetly sound like some conspiracy theory guy.....ha ha ha

i just get so tired of people being divided over the DUMBEST stuff. all though


i was thouroughly entertained by this whole conversation....you guys are pretty educated. Your opinions are sound and have justification. very entertaining.

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