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#452310 - 09/09/08 11:46 AM OP Border Patrol Roadblocks
stonefish Offline
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I saw this article in the Times this morning.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008167700_forks09.html

Just curious, has anyone had to go through these on there way out to Forks?
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#452313 - 09/09/08 12:02 PM Re: OP Border Patrol Roadblocks [Re: stonefish]
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Good.

The key word in the phrase Illegal immigrant is "illegal".

My family came to the US in 1907, so I am not against immigration, but it needs to be done correctly. Two of my grampa's brothers even had their names changed, while he retained his. They landed at Ellis Island, while he landed in Baltimore.

They assimilated and became productive US citizens. One of the brothers changed his name back to his original name, and the son of the other brother changed his name back as well.

There was no "press 2 for Slovenian" available.

Many of the ILLEGAL immigrants are criminals and gang members, while some are just folks looking for a better life. Well, do it the right way.
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#452314 - 09/09/08 12:03 PM Re: OP Border Patrol Roadblocks [Re: stonefish]
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I was amazed at how many migrant workers there are in forks. Stop by the Shell station at 7:00 am on a weekday.

They put out two big buckets of hot/taco sauce packets on the counter every morning at 7:00. Every morning, the contents of the buckets are emptied by 7:30.

I had no idea that the workers are there for the flower industry..picking ferns, and stuff like that. For the "filler" type plants that go in and around the flowers that Bucket has to buy FishGal!

They need a checkpoint in Woodland. I see the same thing down there.

In both places, I had to ask "What's up with that and why are they here and what are they doing"? I had no idea.

There's no reason to be "illegal" here in the US, especially if you are a migrant worker. Hell, they probably get better all around benefits than I do.
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#452319 - 09/09/08 12:19 PM Re: OP Border Patrol Roadblocks [Re: The Moderator]
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I asked the same question a couple years ago to an employee at Thrift way, she said that they are hired to dig up stumps of trees that had been fallen.

I have no idea......anyone???
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#452323 - 09/09/08 12:37 PM Re: OP Border Patrol Roadblocks [Re: stonefish]
lavro8 Offline
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Funny... I asked the same thing a couple of years ago and the gal told me that most of them were loggers.

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#452325 - 09/09/08 12:43 PM Re: OP Border Patrol Roadblocks [Re: lavro8]
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Loggers?? Only if loggers use leafblowers and lawn mowers
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#452332 - 09/09/08 01:41 PM Re: OP Border Patrol Roadblocks [Re: stever in everett]
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The ones you see in line at the gas staion in the morning are Guatamalans...there to pick salal, I believe. If you pull up to get something to eat, and see the white vans parked outside, don't bother...there will be 20 folks ahead of you in line!

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#452337 - 09/09/08 01:59 PM Re: OP Border Patrol Roadblocks [Re: Todd]
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Yep. They sneak up into public and private forests and stuff vans (with trucks cops can see what they're hauling) full of Salal that doesn't belong to them and sell it to Wholesale Floral Suppliers.

I cant recall if Theft of Forest Products is a felony or not, but if you do it on NFS or NPS land and get caught, it doesn't really matter, cause you're going to Club Fed either way.

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#452342 - 09/09/08 02:35 PM Re: OP Border Patrol Roadblocks [Re: Irie]
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The floral greens (alternative forest products) market is pretty big, and many operators purchase leases through the DNR and private timber companies like WEYCO, Simpson & Plum Creek to pick greens, so all is not illegal.

There is a fair amount of money in it, and it tends to be a cash business, so reporting is minimal from the worker standpoint, making it attractive to undocumented workers.
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#452345 - 09/09/08 02:40 PM Re: OP Border Patrol Roadblocks [Re: Irie]
Neal M Offline
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Why don't they quit wasting peoples time and money and just camp out at the shell station?
Friggin rediculous if you ask me....

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#452349 - 09/09/08 02:49 PM Re: OP Border Patrol Roadblocks [Re: stever in everett]
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Originally Posted By: stever in everett
Loggers?? Only if loggers use leafblowers and lawn mowers


lol
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#452351 - 09/09/08 03:51 PM Re: OP Border Patrol Roadblocks [Re: Todd]
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Originally Posted By: Todd
If you pull up to get something to eat, and see the white vans parked outside, don't bother...there will be 20 folks ahead of you in line!

Fish on...

Todd

Pull up to the Shell station to get something to eat? sick
Beer, sandshrimp, and gas, that's *IT*
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#452353 - 09/09/08 04:30 PM Re: OP Border Patrol Roadblocks [Re: NOFISH]
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they need to have some of those road block down here on the harbor
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#452356 - 09/09/08 05:19 PM Re: OP Border Patrol Roadblocks [Re: larryb]
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Hey Man....It's cool...

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I'm anti road block for anything!
If they want to do workplace raids and such fine. They should have probable cause to do those raids though. Road blocks put many innocent people through a hassle with the man.


Edited by seastrike (09/10/08 12:14 PM)

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#452362 - 09/09/08 05:35 PM Re: OP Border Patrol Roadblocks [Re: seastrike]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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Agreed.

Can't you guys do your f'n job without intruding on people who have nothing to do with your investigation?
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#452364 - 09/09/08 05:47 PM Re: OP Border Patrol Roadblocks [Re: seastrike]
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Originally Posted By: seastrike
They should have probable cause to do those raids though.


That's what I was thinking. I had to be in my best behavior while driving around there last week. fun fun fun


Edited by GreenRiver (09/09/08 05:47 PM)
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#452367 - 09/09/08 06:16 PM Re: OP Border Patrol Roadblocks [Re: GreenRiver]
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So, back to my original question. Has anyone personally gone through one of these roadblocks? Sounds like some may have.

I'm just curious what is all involved with it. ID required for all vehicle occupants, sniffing dogs?

The article states "agents usually ask drivers different types of questions to gauge their status in the U.S., including questions about citizenship."
I love to see some video of that. Hell, there are plenty of US citizens who don't know jack about their own country.
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#452368 - 09/09/08 06:32 PM Re: OP Border Patrol Roadblocks [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: stam
I'd be all for helping the illegals out.....

















.....if they were columbian hookers.



What did those Columbian hookers cost you in Panama?
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#452376 - 09/09/08 08:19 PM Re: OP Border Patrol Roadblocks [Re: stonefish]
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You got a warrant or something? rofl
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#452379 - 09/09/08 09:04 PM Re: OP Border Patrol Roadblocks [Re: Sol Duc]
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No warrants, at least none I know of.
Lets just say I'm not a big fan of roadblocks wink
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