Someone already beat you to that clip.

[quote] Seems the YouTube Video and tread title that KK posted here was spot on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm8z3XFWzTU

Do some research on that relationship JLH. Obama was in Indonesia when the weathermen where bombing in the US. Obama's relationship was in the mid to late 1990's.

I never said that Obama was a terrorist, I just have some reservations about someone's character when they aren't forthcoming about relationships with persons that are still proud of terrorist activities against the U.S. government.

JLH....so why are you so upset?

I've seen plenty of posts by the supporters of the "other" side which reek of hatred and fear too. So what's the point?

Anybody plan on changing their mind?

So like I said to one of KK's posts........that crap says more about the presenter than it does about the subject.

I'll try to keep that in mind myself.

Rally's are different than posts on a BB. When you have people in groups at a McCain-Palin rally yelling Kill, kill, Kill or off with Obama's head, you have a different senerio than someone that's at their computer hating. A single individual at a computer does not make a lynch mob. However a McCain-Palin rally could qualify, with this kind of stuff condoned by McCain and Palin.

If you can't see the difference, then that say's something about the person with such a rational.

Obama started his political career in the guy's living room and sat on a board with him for 5 years.

Who said it did? ALL politicians associate with persons of questionable backgrounds, mainly because those people have deep pockets from which campaign funding comes. Its all about the money. Besides, did Liddy and North belong to terrorist organiaztions?

And to think this thread got started by another JLH "race card" post...
Go figure.

Always has good bait, doesn't he?

Yea, but is starting to smell like sandshrimp left in the sun

Hank, in case you hadn't noticed, liberal is no longer a pejorative in the American Political Lexicon...........

I mean, sure it is on Fox, but that's about it these days.

Not only that, many of the Hosue, and a few of the Senate Dem pickups were by 'moderate' Dems in swing states. The House class of 2006 seems to be holding those seats just fine, many crusing to victory this year, and of course a few very close races also. But only a few.

Calling Democratic candidates 'liberals' is actually what lost the GOP many House seats in 2006. Post poll interviews tended to show that in many cases, the voters knew the candidates from previous statewide elections, and KNEW they weren't liberals, just Dems.

They knew they were being lied to by the GOP, and it's respective candidates, and resented it. They voted for in many cases, people who ran on a platform of 'change', back in 2006.

Another aside here, House polling always shows that voters like their Representative, even if giving Congress a negative rating. re election rates are high, until the electorate starts to swing, then they dip, and return to the previous 'stable' levels of re election.

Every single Dem that has run for election for well over 30 years has been tarred as 'the most liberal' whatever. Sen., Gov, doesn't matter, some how they were all 'the most liberal' If Clinton had won the primary, she'd have been 'the most liberal', instead of Obama. Same would have been true of anyone.

It doesn't wash anymore, another thing interviewed voters have started to say more and more over the last few election cycles.

The voting record of Obama supports his "Most Liberal" label and that being said, I could never vote for him. His thinking runs too Socialist for my liking.

Men who hide behind women's skirts ..............................

That's all you really need to know about John McCain't, and his supporters.

It looks like McCain is using the "skirts " to flush his quarry of Rednecks

Interesting Read..........



http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081013_americas_political_cannibalism/


The rage bubbling up from America’s impoverished and disenfranchised working class, glimpsed at John McCain campaign rallies, presages a looming and dangerous right-wing backlash.

By Chris Hedges

It is no longer our economy but our democracy that is in peril. It was the economic meltdown of Yugoslavia that gave us Slobodan Milosevic. It was the collapse of the Weimar Republic that vomited up Adolf Hitler. And it was the breakdown in czarist Russia that opened the door for Vladimir Lenin and the Bolsheviks. Financial collapses lead to political extremism. The rage bubbling up from our impoverished and disenfranchised working class, glimpsed at John McCain rallies, presages a looming and dangerous right-wing backlash.

As the public begins to grasp the depth of the betrayal and abuse by our ruling class, as the Democratic and Republican parties are exposed as craven tools of our corporate state, as savings accounts, college funds and retirement plans become worthless, as unemployment skyrockets and as home values go up in smoke, we must prepare for the political resurgence of a reinvigorated radical Christian right. The engine of this mass movement—as is true for all radical movements—is personal and economic despair. And despair, in an age of increasing shortages, poverty and hopelessness, will be one of our few surplus commodities.

Karl Polanyi in his book “The Great Transformation,” written in 1944, laid out the devastating consequences—the depressions, wars and totalitarianism—that grow out of a so-called self-regulated free market. He grasped that “fascism, like socialism, was rooted in a market society that refused to function.” He warned that a financial system always devolved, without heavy government control, into a Mafia capitalism—and a Mafia political system—which is a good description of the American government under George W. Bush. Polanyi wrote that a self-regulating market, the kind bequeathed to us since Ronald Reagan, turned human beings and the natural environment into commodities, a situation that ensures the destruction of both society and the natural environment. He decried the free market’s belief that nature and human beings are objects whose worth is determined by the market. He reminded us that a society that no longer recognizes that nature and human life have a sacred dimension, an intrinsic worth beyond monetary value, ultimately commits collective suicide. Such societies cannibalize themselves until they die. Speculative excesses and growing inequality, he wrote, always destroy the foundation for a continued prosperity.

We face an environmental meltdown as well as an economic meltdown. This would not have surprised Polanyi, who fled fascist Europe in 1933 and eventually taught at Columbia University. Russia’s northern coastline has begun producing huge qualities of toxic methane gas. Scientists with the International Siberian Shelf Study 2008 describe what they saw along the coastline recently as “methane chimneys” reaching from the sea floor to the ocean’s surface. Methane, locked in the permafrost of Arctic landmasses, is being released at an alarming rate as average Arctic temperatures rise. Methane is a greenhouse gas 25 times more powerful than carbon dioxide. The release of millions of tons of it will dramatically accelerate the rate of global warming.

Those who run our corporate state have fought environmental regulation as tenaciously as they have fought financial regulation. They are responsible, as Polanyi predicted, for our personal impoverishment and the impoverishment of our ecosystem. We remain addicted, courtesy of the oil, gas and automobile industries and a corporate-controlled government, to fossil fuels. Species are vanishing. Fish stocks are depleted. The great human migration from coastlines and deserts has begun. And as temperatures continue to rise, huge parts of the globe will become uninhabitable. The continued release of large quantities of methane, some scientists have warned, could actually asphyxiate the human species.

The corporate con artists and criminals who have hijacked our state and rigged our financial system still speak to us in the obscure and incomprehensible language coined by specialists at elite business schools. They use terms like securitization, deleveraging, structured investment vehicles and credit default swaps. The reality, once you throw out their obnoxious jargon, is not hard to grasp. Banks lent too much money to people and financial institutions that could not pay it back. These banks are now going broke. The government is frantically giving taxpayer dollars to banks so they can be solvent and again lend money. It is not working. Bank lending remains frozen. There are ominous signs that the government may not be able to hand over enough of our money because the losses incurred by these speculators are too massive. If credit markets remain in a deep freeze, corporations such as AT&T, Ford and General Motors might go bankrupt. The downward spiral could spread like a tidal wave across the country, especially since our corporate elite, including Barack Obama, seem to have no real intention of bailing out families who can no longer pay their mortgages or credit card debts.

Lenin said that the best way to destroy the capitalist system was to debauch its currency. If our financial disaster continues there will be a widespread loss of faith in the mechanisms that regulate society. If our money becomes worthless, so does our government. All traditional standards and beliefs are shattered in a severe economic crisis. The moral order is turned upside down. The honest and industrious are wiped out while the gangsters, profiteers and speculators amass millions. Look at Lehman Brothers CEO Richard Fuld. He walks away from his bankrupt investment house after pocketing $485 million. His investors are wiped out. An economic collapse does not only mean the degradation of trade and commerce, food shortages, bankruptcies and unemployment; it means the systematic dynamiting of the foundations of a society. I watched this happen in Yugoslavia. I fear I am watching it happen here in the United States.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081013_americas_political_cannibalism/