Joe the Plumber...the real star of the debate last night!

McCain't went on and on about how bad Obama will be for JtP, who by his own accounts is a lifelong conservative.

A couple of problems...his taxes will not go up. The dude is miles from making enough money for that to happen.

He's not a small business owner...he's just thinking about getting into the ownership biz.

Oh...he's not a licensed plumber. The State of Ohio says they have no contractor or technical licenses of any sort for him, under his name or any similar name.

I think McCain't really...REALLY..REALLYREALLYREALLYREALLY...needs to spend more than five minutes vetting anyone...ANYONE...that he wants to put on a pedestal to try and lurch his campaign out of neutral and get it in gear...other than reverse gear, of course.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. Interviews I've seen with JtP today show him being a little pissed that McSame brought him up, and wish that once he was brought up that McSame would have actually spoke to the issues that affect JtP personally...none of what McSame said has much, if anything to do with JtP's life.

JtP is not registered to vote in the state of Ohio either

JtP appears be dumb enough to continue supporting McCain. My favorite part of his updated interviews from today is his acknowledging that he'd get a tax cut under Obama but saying he wouldn't want it.

Like I said...if Palin and JtP are examples of how McSame is vetting people now, can you imagine what a disaster he'll be at appointing hundreds of important positions if he's elected?

Fish on...

Todd

http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/1...s-keating-oops/

Turns out that Joe Wurzelbacher from the Toledo event is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who’s Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating’s son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. The now retired elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican causes giving well over $10,000 in the last few years.

Does any of this make Joe the Plumber a bad guy? Of course not. In fact, after that ill-fated night at the Watergate, he may finally be giving plumbers a good name. But at a debate where John goes full bore on Obama for guilt-by-association with William Ayers (and dodges a bullet by Obama not mentioning Keating Five), the press is going to bring it back front and center by midday tomorrow once they delve deeper into the most popular plumber in America.

It has nothing to do with Joe the Plumber...it has everything to do with another major lapse in judgment by McSame.

A right wing strategist apologist for McSame said it was an "end of the election race off the cuff strategy..."...the reality based world sees it as "painfully grasping at straws."

Fish on...

Todd

You guys are denser than I thought. You and all the liberal media trying to find out about Joe! He asked Obamma a simple question. If he bought a plumbing business that earned $250k would his taxes go up and Obama said "yup. gotta spread the wealth around"! That's socialism. Who cares whether he is licensed or not? You don't have a license to buy the business. Whether or not he can afford it? Barney Flake will see that he gets the loan.

I know garbage haulers who have their own business and make a hell of a lot more than $250k. Alan Colmes loves ya!

Really?

BWP,

I know that officially there is no class system in America, but do you really believe there is no unofficial, but still effective, economic and social class system in this country? I sure think there's a societal segment that acts as though they believe there is such a system, and a lot of them are politicians or high ranking businessmen. That's my observation of the socio-economic blueblood class in America.

Sg

Joe's great just like Sarah. Normal people can relate to these types of people. Goobers that gripe about them are just posers. Hair Plug and Blowbama might be in for a surprise. The Lame Stream Media sure are on 100% attack mode. Good move McCain.

I don't know WTF this plumber has become the topic du jour.

Are the financial markets back in good shape?
Has the ME been stabilized ?
Did the Taliban move out of Afghanistan?
Has Iran decided to play nice with everyone?
Did our budget deficit decide to become a surplus?

No?

Oh, so then this whole Joe the Plumber thing really IS a distraction for what p!ss poor candidates 98% of people will be casting their votes for. Got it.

Fiddle away, Nero.

"Obama hasn't the time or the reason to screw around with a wingnut like Joe."

Nice KK, except that the Obama did have the time to screw around and he answered the question. Now you may like the answer he gave. I don't. I also don't care if Joe is a half wit , ex felon with 10 outstanding warrants. The answer is what counted. Unless of course he was lying?

We all know what is coming. Dig deep.

Obamasticator - those who eat only what Obama has chewed up up and regurgitated for them.

Um..... I know everyone has probably thought of this already, but JtP, if he is a "REAL" Plumber, is probably a Union member. Now, there is always the exception to the rule, but JtP, as a Union Plumber would most likely NOT cast a vote for the G.O.P. ticket because no good union member would EVER cast a vote for a candidate who has the endorsement of the Associated Builders and Contractors, which BTW is the single most anti union Business association in the United States today. JtP would never vote for a candidate who wants to repeal the Davis-Bacon act. Jtp would never cast a vote for a candidate who wants to continue Bushco's ban on P.L.A.s' on all jobs using federal dollars. Of course, I am making an assumption that Jtp IS a Union member...... If he's not, then who cares about Jtp, because he has no right to call himself a true tradesman, as he has highjacked his title from the men and women who actually deserve to be called plumbers............ F.Y.I...... I just so happen to be a Union member in case ya couldn't tell and I challenge any of my fellow Union brothers and sisters on the BB to offer a differing viewpoint that is still in keeping with the Union philosophy.

His response should have been "Joe, would it be fairer if we raised taxes on your whole crew who make 75K per year instead?"

Nobody wants to hear their taxes are going up, but if these goats have their way and implement their spending proposals, then SOMEONE is going to pay more.

Vote for fiscal discipline, vote for Ron Paul.

It isn't a good idea.

Spending like there IS no recession isn't a good idea, either.

Ron Paul 2008

I do not care who you are voting for but when a regular American has asks a question about taxes in his own front yard who was aproached by someone running for the most powerful seat in the world and then gets slaughtered by the media and who knows who else is crawling up the poor guys @ss for just asking a question it makes me sick!....I don't care who you are, if the media and goverment crawled up your @ss they would find dirt on you and I don't care how perfect you think you are or you think your record is you will fry!.........BARF!....

Subsidies for those who don't need it, whether they be in the form of outright payments (agribusiness) or ridiculous tax breaks (energy companies) need to end, and now.

Check New Zealand's cessation of farm subsidies...they now produce more and cheaper food than they did when they were handing out subsidies...in spite of the handwringing and teeth gnashing coming out of their agribusiness industry when the end of subsidies was proposed.

It's just like the auto companies crying that they will go out of business if forced to meet better emissions standards or better mileage per gallon standards...every time it has happened, they say they will go out of business, and then they go out, meet the standards, and business continues as usual.

Every time.

Make oil companies use the permits they have in hand for exploration. If they don't, give them to those who will. When those companies do use them, take the public's cut of the public resource from those oil companies.

End tax breaks for companies that operate or send jobs overseas.

These aren't liberal or conservative concepts...these are simple and obvious concepts that any fiscally responsible person...or government...should be able to embrace out of hand.

For all the complaining about "entitlements" that are draining the economy and the coffers, the entitlements most folks are complaining about are but a drop in the bucket compared to these perpetually open taps.

Fish on...

Todd

Well stated

I feel like I'm at a Ron Paul Convention.