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#462246 - 10/23/08 03:17 PM Initiative 1000
Salmo g. Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
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Just thought I'd throw this out here. Initiative 1000 is the Death with Dignity Act. I think it's far past time for something like this to be legal. Actually I'm offended that it ever was and still is illegal. I mean who could be opposed to this? That is, unless your agenda is all about controlling what other people do. I heard actor Martin Sheen on the radio speaking in opposition with some distorted and made up crap about the Act, and I wonder what he's paid to say that sh!t. Why should he give a rat's a$$ what a terminally ill patient does to manage the end of his or her life? The Act doesn't require anybody to use it, but it would be there for those who do want to. If it isn't obvious, I can't stand meddling folks who stick their noses into other people's business, or use the law to cram their religious beliefs into other people's lives, or end of life in this case. They really ought to fvck off.

Sg

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#462253 - 10/23/08 03:29 PM Re: Initiative 1000 [Re: Salmo g.]
docspud Offline
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Loc: Silverdale Wa
I agree with you 100% that people should be able to decided to finish it or not. If the pain is that bad or there is no chance and the family is footing crazy medical bills.....I am going to check myself out for sure. No one has the right in my mide to say any different. It is not about religion though SG. This is not a push against it coming from "nutjobs" as the term around here goes.
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#462258 - 10/23/08 03:41 PM Re: Initiative 1000 [Re: docspud]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
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It is not about religion though SG


Bullsh!t.

Who's funding the opposition?
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#462261 - 10/23/08 03:46 PM Re: Initiative 1000 [Re: Dan S.]
j 7 Offline
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What does it say for terminal unconcious people with no family around?
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#462263 - 10/23/08 03:46 PM Re: Initiative 1000 [Re: Salmo g.]
nookie dreamin' Offline
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+1 applause
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#462265 - 10/23/08 03:51 PM Re: Initiative 1000 [Re: nookie dreamin']
Todd Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Agreed...another battle in my crusade to tell government to stop telling me what I can and can't do in my personal life, so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else...and I don't mean "hurt their feelings" because their fundie beliefs don't allow them to have as much fun as me smile

Fish on...

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#462266 - 10/23/08 03:53 PM Re: Initiative 1000 [Re: nookie dreamin']
ParaLeaks Offline
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I think they should change it to anyone who is terminally sick can be offed by injection of a 45 slug. I'll be the judge.

I'm only kidding....this thing is a no brainer and will easily pass.
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#462276 - 10/23/08 04:08 PM Re: Initiative 1000 [Re: ParaLeaks]
docspud Offline
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Registered: 11/01/06
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Loc: Silverdale Wa
Dan S,
The polls i have seen show that well over 60% who regularly go to church support the law. You libs attempt to paint anyone who believes in religion with the same broad brush as a few that take it to far is what pisses the rest of us off. The vast majority support what we deem reasonable but the other side finds some nut on Utube that say some crazy shiat and pretend that is what religion is. Grow up. I know I know......STFU....ha, beat you to it.
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#462277 - 10/23/08 04:09 PM Re: Initiative 1000 [Re: ParaLeaks]
The Moderator Offline
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Registered: 02/09/00
Posts: 13942
Loc: Tuleville
I found a great website that goes over ALL the initiatives, and as far as I can tell, it's mostly unbiased. Just the straight dope.

I don't care how anyone votes, just read up on the initiatives, get the facts, make your OWN decision and VOTE.

VOTE!

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Washington_2008_ballot_measures

Oh yeah, and what Salmo said. thumbs
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#462284 - 10/23/08 04:27 PM Re: Initiative 1000 [Re: ]
Salmo g. Offline
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So no one on PP opposes it? That's good news, but I'm certain that we don't represent a cross section of WA citizens.

Docspud,

Like Dan asks, someone is funding the opposition, to the tune of a couple million $ I think. Catholic Church is probably one, altho I haven't checked yet. But they have that "only God can choose" and other people control policies, which would be fine if they would just keep it to themselves. Libs or not, we're not trying to paint all religious people with a broad brush; just the assholes who can't mind their own fvcking business and let the rest of us manage our lives the way we see fit.

J7,

A terminal unconscious person is s.o.l., since they have to consult two doctors which sorta' requires being conscious. However, that hardly seems like a valid reason to deny it to those who are.

Slab Happy,

This is a second run. It didn't pass last time, can't remember when, 8, 10, or 12 years ago.

Parker,

Thanks for the link.

Sg

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#462285 - 10/23/08 04:29 PM Re: Initiative 1000 [Re: ]
goharley Offline
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Registered: 03/27/02
Posts: 3188
Loc: U.S. Army
Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
...and Falwell ( Sure he's dead, but his hate lingers on)...


Hell, he founded a college(sic) to continue indoctrinating his hateful agenda into young misguided youth.
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#462289 - 10/23/08 04:39 PM Re: Initiative 1000 [Re: ]
docspud Offline
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Registered: 11/01/06
Posts: 1557
Loc: Silverdale Wa
KK,
The difference between us is that I will call a nut a nut.....either party by the way. You libs refers only to a select few on this sight....about five or six people who bash unrelenting anyone who does not follow a far left idiology. I am a conservative in the finacial sense of the word (the current admin is not conservative in that sense) but likely have more centrist even left views on everything else (except gun control).
I call a spade a spade. No spin. I think anyone who wants to marry should, anyone who doesnt want and can not take care of a child shouldnt have one, and as Todd stated.....government needs to get out of my life. The patriot act is crap blah blah blah in an endless list of things.
But.....I am not going to sit by and let you or anyone else paint me with the brush of Dobson, Hagee or Robertson. They hijack religion just like Rev Jackson and Sharp hijack race to push their own political agenda. But those like you and JLH who spin spin spin and post stupid internet crap because you are so far left you cant see center is no different that what those you post about on the other side do. Again caml yourself, get some lotion and call todd.
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#462294 - 10/23/08 04:49 PM Re: Initiative 1000 [Re: docspud]
Salmo g. Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13511
Docspud,

If you stand by your last post, then we have far more common ground than I would have estimated. So when you support politicians who oppose gay marriage and abortion and what to shove RWWJ religion down my throat, but support the Patriot Act, and restriction to Habeous Corpus, and link Iraq to 9/11, am I misunderstanding you?

A lot of what the Democrats offer is a tad too liberal for my taste, but the Republicans haven't given me any other choice for years, at the national level. I think I'm voting for 3 Rs in the state gov't election.

Sg

PS: I call a spade a shovel.


Edited by Salmo g. (10/23/08 04:50 PM)

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#462295 - 10/23/08 04:50 PM Re: Initiative 1000 [Re: docspud]
stonefish Offline
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Registered: 12/11/02
Posts: 5199
Loc: Carkeek Park
I'm for it. This initiative would have greatly helped one of my family members.
I'll say it - STFU Martin Sheen
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#462298 - 10/23/08 04:54 PM Re: Initiative 1000 [Re: ]
ParaLeaks Offline
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Registered: 01/11/03
Posts: 10363
Loc: Olypen
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The right's failed attempt to 'own' faith ....


KK.....curious statement you made. Are you saying that Dem's don't go to church? or maybe that the Repubs are all religious?

or maybe there are some left wing Republicans? or right wing Democrats?

Do I need to say it? That is one dumbass statement.

You speak in that same post of hate-spewing as if you are exempt. Sure doesn't come across that way to me. The relentless name calling is beyond acceptable, yet you continue. What is with that? You're intelligent and well read, at least in some areas, yet continue with the garbage distribution to anyone who disagrees. Perhaps GTFU is applicable here. (First word...grow).


Edited by Slab Happy (10/23/08 04:56 PM)
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#462304 - 10/23/08 05:13 PM Re: Initiative 1000 [Re: ]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
doc,

Did you just not feel like answering my very simple question?

WHO is funding the oppostition?

Answer that, and tell me again how religion has nothing to do with it.
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She was standin' alone over by the juke box, like she'd something to sell.
I said "baby, what's the goin' price?" She told me to go to hell.

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#462312 - 10/23/08 05:41 PM Re: Initiative 1000 [Re: Dan S.]
docspud Offline
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Registered: 11/01/06
Posts: 1557
Loc: Silverdale Wa
Dan,
There is no doubt that the primary finacial push comes from the catholic church but donations come in from Drs groups, nurse caregiver groups, and others. Look up no on I1000 as I just did and there are many donations from many different groups. There are some in the religous side behind it but it is not just them. That was my point. If you think Martin sheen is right wing......well he isnt. I am just opposed to the broad brush or saying those dirty religous nuts are push their views. Some might be but not the majority.
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#462314 - 10/23/08 05:51 PM Re: Initiative 1000 [Re: docspud]
docspud Offline
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Registered: 11/01/06
Posts: 1557
Loc: Silverdale Wa
Sg,
I am forced to swallow a mouth full of crap because some issues.....Taxes mainly.....are more important to me than other things. I want less govern, believe I can spend my money best and my dontations which I make plenty should be my choice. I worked to get here, spent vitually my hole life in school while others hunted, fished and partied. Now it is my turn damn it. Penalizing me for hard work is B.S. and un-american. No matter how much some want to spread the wealth around or how patriotic it would be for me to pay higher taxes.
I dont like the right either and the last eight years I have been pounding my head against the wall as my freedoms took a hit and govern gets more into my life. 40% increase in size......unbelievable under a GOP admin. I in no way see that getting better under BO though. I see more taxes, more social welfare, more spending and more of my hard earned money gone. Govern needs to mind its own business and stay out of my life and wallet.


Edited by docspud (10/23/08 05:52 PM)
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#462321 - 10/23/08 06:09 PM Re: Initiative 1000 [Re: docspud]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
doc,

Agreed.
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She was standin' alone over by the juke box, like she'd something to sell.
I said "baby, what's the goin' price?" She told me to go to hell.

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#462331 - 10/23/08 06:48 PM Re: Initiative 1000 [Re: ]
Irie Offline
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Registered: 11/26/06
Posts: 4317
Loc: South Sound
Martin Sheen, STFU and GTFO of my state's affairs.

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