#466523 - 11/08/08 09:50 PM
So How Do We Get Out of This Economic Mess?
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Reverend Tarpones
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I just watched the news, and it's all bad. G.M. is on the brink of bankrupcy, and the other two are very little better off. It's possible, that without government intervention all three may go under! Who could have imagined that a few years ago? Seventeen states are in deep debt and laying off staff like crazy. Retail sales are way down, and projected to go lower. This looks like a cosmic cluster [censored] to me.
So, what, if anything, should Bush do in the next 70 days? What should Obama do once he takes office. Any bright ideas? Can we try to have a discussion without any partisan sniping or blame game stuff?
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#466526 - 11/08/08 10:35 PM
Re: So How Do We Get Out of This Economic Mess?
[Re: Dave Vedder]
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Dude, where's my boat?
Registered: 11/05/00
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Loc: Seattle
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Fix housing first...its all flowing down hill from that cluster fook. As crazy as it sounds I would expect a huge flood of loan modifications ie actual principle reductions and/or huge interest rate drops. Its cheaper for a lender to lower a loan balance by 50k and drop the rate from 7 to 4 then it is to foreclose. The govt will step in and back the loans for the lenders that go into default after they have been modified...anyway my 2C and where I think something will be done in the near future...cheers
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#466532 - 11/08/08 10:55 PM
Re: So How Do We Get Out of This Economic Mess?
[Re: Dave Vedder]
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WINNER
Registered: 01/11/03
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Loc: Olypen
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Ask Darcy? She has a degree in economics from Harvard, you know. Sorry, that was just too easy....couldn't help myself. I don't think there is a single thing that will get the average American spending like there ain't no tomorrow again for quite some time. Reducing interest on existing loans to keep people paying might help a little, but doesn't solve the market value issue. When a house isn't worth the mortgage, someone's going to eat it. It should be the owner, but if they can't pay, then the only solution, I suppose is to have the Gov't guarantee the lender's principle. But still, with all that, people still aren't going to spend freely.....I think we are screwed.
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#466538 - 11/08/08 11:10 PM
Re: So How Do We Get Out of This Economic Mess?
[Re: ParaLeaks]
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Dude, where's my boat?
Registered: 11/05/00
Posts: 2354
Loc: Seattle
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Didnt say it was the fix, just that it is my guess at one of the first steps towards at least stemming the foreclosure side of this huge issue. Nothing to date has worked and it is estimated that 1 in 4 homeowners will have negative equity by the end of March 09...and will get worse than that if nothing is done quickly.
The programs implemented by HUD/Fannie/Freddie have not worked to date. The only program that is getting rave reviews is what the FDIC has done with IndyMac customers which is exactly what I have described above and I believe Wells and Chase announced similar programs within the past week or so.
What will get people spending again? Without job/wage growth, stock gains, home equity gains and a lending environment that is just as tough today as it was easy 2 years ago, thats a damn good question.
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#466541 - 11/08/08 11:56 PM
Re: So How Do We Get Out of This Economic Mess?
[Re: JoJo]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7650
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
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As one who has been around government for more than 50 years, I have one question. Specifically, what useless government programs would you eliminate? What should governmnet not do? I am sure there are some things that need to be cut, but let us actually talk about them.
Unfortunately, we will be having these discussions very soon. In some states, it will be tough. In others, even worse.
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#466543 - 11/09/08 12:16 AM
Re: So How Do We Get Out of This Economic Mess?
[Re: Carcassman]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/15/99
Posts: 4166
Loc: Poulsbo, WA,USA
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Simple - Use money from Iraqi oil to bail us out.
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