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#505053 - 04/28/09 04:42 PM While the news covers the flu....
BERG Offline
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Registered: 02/07/09
Posts: 380
Loc: PA
Look beyond the headlines, folks. Some scary crap going on these days, and we're oblivious.

“…last week, we learned that the Treasury actively encouraged fraudulent reporting from Bank of America, failing to disclose losses at Merrill Lynch to its shareholders when it was acquiring the company. The Wall Street Journal ran the following bit of testimony, under oath, from Bank of America head Ken Lewis:

Lewis: I was instructed that “We do not want a public disclosure.”

Q: Who said that to you?
Lewis: Paulson…

Q: Had it been up to you, would you (have) made the disclosure?
Lewis: It wasn't up to me.

Q: Had it been up to you.
Lewis: It wasn't.

As a result, instead of Merrill Lynch's bondholders taking a loss on their bonds, or swapping their debt for BofA equity, those bondholders will now be made whole for all of the losses that Merrill incurred, with 100% principal and interest, right alongside of the bondholders of BofA that are being protected. That's what these bureaucrats want during their stint in government service, that's how they advise our elected officials, and then their revolving door takes them right back to Wall Street. This thing is run by investment bankers and corporate bondholders for the benefit of investment bankers and corporate bondholders.”

“So yes, we can indeed abuse the U.S. public in order to make the bondholders of U.S. financial institutions whole and protect them from any losses. This was the policy of the Bush Administration, and has tragically become the policy of the Obama Administration as well. By doing so, we will commit our future production to foreign hands, or we will commit about a quarter of U.S. non-financial profits and personal savings to these bondholders for at least the next decade.
We can also allow bureaucrats to commit public funds that have not even been allocated by Congress, which is what we have done. We have all become dangerously de-sensitized the the sheer volume of money being tossed around here, and the potential for enormous fraud, misappropriation, cronyism, and misuse.
http://money.cnn.com/news/storysupplement/economy/bailouttracker/index.html
What we cannot do is create all of this out of thin air. Understand that the money that the government is throwing around represents a transfer of wealth from an unwitting public to the bondholders of mismanaged financial corporations, even while foreclosures continue. Even if the Fed buys up the Treasuries being issued, and thereby “monetizes” the debt, that increase in government liabilities will mean a long-term erosion in the purchasing power of people on relatively fixed incomes.
To a large extent, the funds to defend these bondholders will come by allowing U.S. businesses and our future production to be controlled by foreigners. You'll watch the analysts on the financial news channels celebrate the acquisition of U.S. businesses by foreign buyers as if it represents something good. It's frustrating, but we are wasting trillions of dollars that could bring enormous relief of suffering, knowledge, productivity, and innovation in order to defend bondholders of mismanaged financials, and nobody cares because hey, at least the stock market is rallying. If one thing is clear from the last decade, it is that investors have no concern about the ultimate cost of the wreckage as long as they can get a rally going over the short run.

For my part, I remain convinced that without serious efforts at foreclosure abatement (ideally via property appreciation rights), mortgage losses will begin to creep higher later this year, surging in mid-2010, remaining high through 2011, and peaking in early 2012. To believe that we are through with this crisis or the associated losses is to completely ignore the overhang of mortgage resets that still remain from the final years of the housing bubble.”

Google "Hussman" for more optimism.

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#505215 - 04/29/09 03:14 PM Re: While the news covers the flu.... [Re: BERG]
dewbie Offline
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Registered: 01/30/09
Posts: 849
BERG.....ya lost me at hello. do you have a more pothead friendly version? rofl

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#505309 - 04/29/09 07:21 PM Re: While the news covers the flu.... [Re: dewbie]
BERG Offline
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Registered: 02/07/09
Posts: 380
Loc: PA
Dewbie - Grab yer ankles.

Everyone else....

From the Wall Street Journal - "Mr. Paulson told Mr. Lewis that the government would provide cash from the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) to help BofA swallow Merrill. But since the government didn't want to reveal this new federal investment until after the merger closed, Messrs. Paulson and Bernanke rejected Mr. Lewis's request to get their commitment in writing."

Dewbie - Back to you....Your tax dollars helped Bank of America purchase Merrill Lynch. Bank of America would not have gone through with the purchase otherwise, and Merrill would have FAILED. Sounds American, huh? Let me know if you need a dumber version.... wink

....and this was all pre-messiah. Imagine what hindsight will be telling us a year from now. eek

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#505341 - 04/29/09 10:47 PM Re: While the news covers the flu.... [Re: ]
BERG Offline
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Registered: 02/07/09
Posts: 380
Loc: PA
Originally Posted By: AuntyM
Berg, you do realize most of us prefer to be distracted and argue rather than think about this other stuff, right??? We're not ignoring you on purpose.


Aunty,

swine flu thread = 3 pages. beathead

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#505426 - 04/30/09 11:17 AM Re: While the news covers the flu.... [Re: BERG]
dewbie Offline
Spawner

Registered: 01/30/09
Posts: 849
gotcha.....sounds sh!tty

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#505636 - 04/30/09 11:23 PM Re: While the news covers the flu.... [Re: dewbie]
BERG Offline
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Registered: 02/07/09
Posts: 380
Loc: PA
I hear there are 8 confirmed deaths in Mexico from the swine flu. 4/30/2009.

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#505858 - 05/01/09 05:09 PM Re: While the news covers the flu.... [Re: BERG]
Salmo g. Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13468
I don't understand why Americans are putting up with this. With all the firearms owned by Americans, and all the firearms and ammo purchased just since Obama was elected, you'd think a few of these red-blooded, gun-totin' 'mericans could have gotten off a clean shot or two at the perps of this greatest robbery in history. When I read about this stuff I can almost forget about the petty burglary of my stuff by small time a-holes.

Speaking of dealing with a-holes, I wasn't getting the desired results from the motion-activated trail camera or the dusk-til-dawn security light or the dummy video cameras, but the crude cardboard sign I attached to the storage shed reading, "Good luck A-hole, when I catch you, you are dead" seems to have discouraged any further mischevious activity around the premises. I figured if the Mob uses death threats it must be because it works.

Sg

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#505864 - 05/01/09 05:23 PM Re: While the news covers the flu.... [Re: Salmo g.]
dewbie Offline
Spawner

Registered: 01/30/09
Posts: 849
Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
"Good luck A-hole, when I catch you, you are dead"
Sg


rofl thats perfect rofl

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#505871 - 05/01/09 05:32 PM Re: While the news covers the flu.... [Re: dewbie]
Mikespike Offline
MPD

Registered: 01/02/08
Posts: 2544
Loc: Santa Rosa, CA
Originally Posted By: dewbie
Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
"Good luck A-hole, when I catch you, you are dead"
Sg


rofl thats perfect rofl


Salmo-

Holy sheet! Apply for a government grant for your study proving that tweekers can read!!! rofl
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#505872 - 05/01/09 05:40 PM Re: While the news covers the flu.... [Re: Mikespike]
dewbie Offline
Spawner

Registered: 01/30/09
Posts: 849
Originally Posted By: Mikespike
Originally Posted By: dewbie
Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
"Good luck A-hole, when I catch you, you are dead"
Sg


rofl thats perfect rofl


Salmo-

Holy sheet! Apply for a government grant for your study proving that tweekers can read!!! rofl


he probably drew a skull and crossbones on the sign for effect....they couldnt read what it actually said. rofl

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#505909 - 05/01/09 08:26 PM Re: While the news covers the flu.... [Re: Salmo g.]
BERG Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 02/07/09
Posts: 380
Loc: PA
Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
I don't understand why Americans are putting up with this. With all the firearms owned by Americans, and all the firearms and ammo purchased just since Obama was elected, you'd think a few of these red-blooded, gun-totin' 'mericans could have gotten off a clean shot or two at the perps of this greatest robbery in history. When I read about this stuff I can almost forget about the petty burglary of my stuff by small time a-holes.

Sg


beer

Hey, someone other than the pothead and I care about this!

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#505913 - 05/01/09 08:36 PM Re: While the news covers the flu.... [Re: BERG]
seastrike Offline
Hey Man....It's cool...

Registered: 08/18/02
Posts: 4242
Loc: seattle
Nice.
Still don't think I could shoot somebody. Elks and deer and birds and such no problem...I guess if I caught a dude in my house my mind would change.
I've been broken into three times but never have been there when it happened.

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#505914 - 05/01/09 08:43 PM Re: While the news covers the flu.... [Re: seastrike]
RowVsWade Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/08/06
Posts: 3359
Loc: Island Time
I pray I never have to shoot a dude.

But I would if he needed shootin'...
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If you don't like our prices bring your wife down and we'll dicker.

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#505927 - 05/01/09 10:14 PM Re: While the news covers the flu.... [Re: RowVsWade]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
I'd shoot someone that needed shootin', but I'm kinda old school...I prefer hand to hand beat downs, much more satisfying.

Fish on...

Todd
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#505930 - 05/01/09 10:18 PM Re: While the news covers the flu.... [Re: Todd]
RowVsWade Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/08/06
Posts: 3359
Loc: Island Time
Me too....
_________________________
"...the pool hall I loved as a kid is now a 7-11..."

If you don't like our prices bring your wife down and we'll dicker.

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#505980 - 05/02/09 03:51 AM Re: While the news covers the flu.... [Re: RowVsWade]
cupo Offline
Repeat Spawner

Registered: 06/18/03
Posts: 1041
Loc: north sound
I've been telling people that the swine flu is a distraction. I mean, what kind of bull [censored] is it when a weak flu bug makes this kind of news? Under the last administration we had the terrorist threat level, now we have the pandemic threat level. Wow, it's a 5. Nobody knows what it means, but it's gotta be bad.
I've run into people who think it's a real threat and our society is gonna shut down, but it's a real stick in their spokes when I point out that there's only been one death in the U.S. from swine flu. 99% chance of survival but the news is going at it full steam.
Can't let a crisis go to waste.

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#506255 - 05/04/09 11:22 AM Re: While the news covers the flu.... [Re: cupo]
dewbie Offline
Spawner

Registered: 01/30/09
Posts: 849
i saw some folks wearing those silly looking surgical masks at the grocery store yesterday....i laughed out loud. smile

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