I wasn't able to watch last night. I kind of expected some one on here to love it enough or hate it enough to post an opinion.

For those of you that watched what did you think? Are you more or less skeptical after hearing what the president had to say?

Missed it.

I haven't listened to Rush or watched Hannity yet today, so I don't know what I'm supposed to think yet

I'll back to ya



Fish on...

Todd

What ever re-todd

Didn't watch it.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and take a wild guess that you are at least a little skeptical about the President's healthcare plan... huh Vic?

Yes I am skeptical, and very concerned. I work for a small company that would likely switch to the "government option". What I am hearing about the plan, and the funky math on both sides has me wondering who to believe. Frankly I don't trust any of them!

Are you implying that Vic has a predisposed biased opinion of all that is our president?

Yeah stick with the trustworthy insurance company. They have your best interests in mind. Can't trust that dam gubment, or a slick president, or a liberal dem, or......

Shthd, since you don't seem to read too well, lets try this again.

That wasn't a speech.It was an infomercial.It wasn't any different than the sham-wow,pocket fisherman or any other paid advertisements.

So you are saying there is no reason to be concerned? Government doesn't exactly have a great track record managing any of these types of programs.

You mean like medicaid/medicare?

Well I watched some of it.
To make it short: we can continue to work hard and pay for our present health plans, or we can quit working and big brother will watch over our health, as they deem needed.

I am afraid that there is no hope for me though, once gainfully self-employed, self or non-insured and reaching into my 6th decade. My home is appraised too high to qualify for the new "free" health care and my wife makes too much money $20/hr.

need to loose the wife , burn down the house, and move to the ghetto.

todd you haven't listened to or watched Rush....tday. you got the live Rush DVDs? like the Rush in Rio or R30 or the Snakes and Arrows. always suspected you were a deep in the closet Rush fan.

Vic,

I didn't watch it. I've heard what Obama said before. I don't think Obama's plan will ever pass without a lot of tinkering by Congress, who will be very influenced by lobbyists from the major financial stakeholders (not counting us average citizens). So I'm not too worried about what Obama's plan is. I think we're fvcked no matter what. I'm a baby boomer soon to join the Geritol crowd. My plan for coping with health care costs is to not incur many, sort of a survival of the fittest approach. That said, I'm a GH member, and through my work the employee share of the premium is affordable, and the co-pays (which went way up in 2008) are also as long as I don't have many medical visits or expenses.

Affordable health care for the masses in the US is a thing of the past. Folks are having a hard time adjusting to the fact. No plan that is in the national interest is going to give everybody all the health care they need or desire.

Sg

I'm in the same boat. The really crappy thing is the bottom line is still: DON'T GET SICK. And that is WITH "good" insurance. I went for a couple of stupid, non-critical things and I got close to $1000 in bills directed at ME, not to mention what insurance also paid.

Hey Chasbo, when you watch it next time, turn off the mute button. Hopefully, your response was in jest because, if not, I don't think even the best private insurance can fix your problem.

"Where I disagree is I've always felt you should do what is necessary to save a life even if there is a strong chance you won't succeed."

Geez, Hank.......who is "you"?

What if the "you" can't afford it? Grab another "you"? and another?

The "save the weak at any cost" concept is worrisome in it's own right.

Yeah, I know....Anybody want to play God today?

In all seriousness, who pays for that system, Hank?

Find that Obama quote. I didn't watch the whole thing so maybe I missed it?

Thought I heard that too. Where do they draw the line is the question I have?

Does anyone know if I can watch the speech online?

Hank,

It's a humane ethic, but the facts are that we can't afford to give every human the best possible medical care, regardless of cost, for any, every, and all medical conditions that occur. I've read that currently a person incurs 90% of the medical costs of their lifetime in their final 5 years of life. A lot of that is money spent trying to prevent old people who are dying from the inevitable - dying. Regardless of the best of intentions, that level of care is going to accrue to the wealthy, if they choose it. The rest of us don't get it, never will get, and we can't afford it anyway.

I want decent health care to keep me functional for as long as I'm functional. After that it's just pissing money away. Maybe that's why I support easy access to good drugs like marijuana, morphine, or whatever provides comfort through the terminal condition.

Sg