Nope, just bring your credit card.

BTW, when was the last time someones house burned down and they
came crying you? I've never had anyone come crying to me to pay for
their house. There is no way possible to take care of everyone, no matter how good your intentions are.

BTW, you are the one that compared HC to homeowners. If it was up
to me, if you put your house in a flood plain without flood insurance, I wouldn't let people collect money for that either. We bail them out too.

NO. It's not ok. Never has been.

You failed to address my point that the same fucktards that thought Patriot 1 & 2 were swell think Health Insurance is trampling The Bill of Rights.

I think the best way to answer that would be this way: The same fucktards that screamed about all the rights that the Patriot act trampled are now more than happy to trample the Bill of Rights to force someone to buy health care.

Obviously Fucktards come in both blue and red. It just depends on who gets to do the trampling.

Its fukin jobless fucktards that want the hand outs and DB you know as well as I there is a pile of them on here why the fukk else would they post 24/7. What I would like to know is how many of the supporters of this have jobe with Insurance!!!!

Ok, great & fine, but then why weren't any Teabagger Rallies organized about the passage of The PATRIOT acts?

To be honest, I think enough people were pissed off about the "Patriot Act" (I don't see anything "patriotic" about it) that it was the kindling for the fire that is now driving these rallies. I think the American people are a bit "slow to burn", so the reaction wasn't immediate.

Lord only knows where it will all go from here.

ISO

Perhaps Im confused about what an HMO is. When I typed in HMO into bing, the top four answers talked about a PLAN.

My understanding was that HMO was like Group Health. Which at the early age of 20+ my brother was denied acceptance due to a medical condition he contracted. He filled out the application and was denied coverage, from Group Health. Had no problem getting health insurance from other employers and personal individual policies like Regents. GH on the other hand, cherry picks and then obviously spends as little as it can to service its patients.

I dont have insurance and Ive never been turned away as a self pay patient. I work for a company with more than 50 employees and we dont have health insurance, unless we pay for it. It will be interesting to see what happens to these jobs.

I guess time will tell who is right and who is wrong. But Im not buying insurance until I get a bill from the IRS. I have my doubts, that I will. They went into a panic cause their constituents didnt get their TV digital box last year before the digital deadline.

I believe one of the tenants of bending the cost curve was that you had to get the young and healthy enrolled in the plan, money paid in with few benefits paid out.

That's what insurance is. Anyone who thinks they can get buy without health insurance is either uber rich, in denial or a future welfare recipient sucking the blood out of the rest of us. I recently read an article which stated that 60% of those who filed bankruptcy due to health care costs had health insurance.

"If it was up to me, if you put your house in a flood plain without flood insurance, I wouldn't let people collect money for that either. We bail them out too."


And if it were up to me if you have the option but choose to not carry health insurance then you shouldn't be treated without cash up front. Maybe a new member of an EMS team should be a credit analyst. You are laying unconcious on the sidewalk, EMS arrives and starts running the credit check and freezing bank accounts. Not enough to cover well you rolled the dice and lost. See ya. Probably better to just force insurance on these idiots.

[/quote]Ok, great & fine, but then why weren't any Teabagger Rallies organized about the passage of The PATRIOT acts? [/quote]

Irie,

If you'd been paying attention in 2007 you would know that the first Tea Party rallies were organized for exactly that reason, among others.

Both sides are bought and paid for that's why we will never see real reform. Too many dollars to lose.

Irish Rogue,

Very good post about Ds and Rs self-contradictory values. At least it makes me feel better about my own values, which cross party lines routinely.

Stlhead,

I thing you're right. The HCB sure isn't what I'd hope for. Key features left out, like the public option Aunty refers to - it couldn't be a threat to insurance companies unless the private companies are truly over-priced because we know for damn sure that the gov't. is the farthest thing from true efficiency.

Me, I'm pretty lucky. I get the same HC options as members of Congress. Only being lower paid, I choose a less expensive (GH) plan that I can afford. And while it ain't the best, I expect it will serve my needs, since every time I go to GH I see that my premiums are paying to help keep chronic smokers and obese patients alive. It's a perfect illustration that life ain't fair.

Sg

Fine, prove it then: Show me pictures of these angry racist GOP dittoheads then having "Tea Party Rallies" in D.C. on the Capitol Mall, holding signs denouncing The PATRIOT acts during the Bush Administration.

Jeebus must I do everything for you? Not that your request was vague at all.

Tea Party Rally, check (an early Paul rally), In D.C., check, in the Capitol Mall (I don't know the layout of D.C. that well but I'd say the pics are close). During the Bush Administration, check (July 12th, 2008). Holding signs denouncing the Patriot Act, check.

Not all GOP'ers are racist dittoheads. Sounds like you need to layoff the Olbermann.



If this isn't enough you could spend a couple of minutes to seach out the hundreds of websites and thousands of youtube videos that spang into existence during the 2007 campaign. All created by people who one way or another had misgivings about the Patriot Act and both wars, but were also concerned about the Fed Reserve and fiscal issues as well. Not your typical "GOP racist dittoheads".

Whoops big pic but what you're looking for is in there.

"Patriots Beware of the Patriot Act"

Ok, nice 241235x8734287934 pic there, but that's a Libertarian Ru Paul rally, not a Teabagger Love-in.

Hell yes !!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Tea Parties were a creation of the Ron Paul campaign. Only after the Obama election were they co-opted by the republican establishment. After that the message changed some and Palin worship by McCain voters ensued.

The new Tea Party isn't easily identified since many of the participants are RP republicans, small "l" libertarians, ex-liberals, anti-war folks, and of course died in the wool republicans who only started attending after Fox News started pumping the Tea Party. Those folks didn't like us RP folks at their primary caucuses one bit.

Ironically it was Fox News who excluded Paul from their New Hampshire Republican primary debate in 2007. Infiltrate and discredit,......it's a pretty good strategy.

Dont expect a fat tax on Candy. Warren Buffet owns too much of that.