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#615027 - 08/07/10 06:17 PM Jobs
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This morning on the news the newscaster asked the question " What is it going to take for businesses to start hiring?" What a stupid question. If the demand for goods and services that our company produces is greater than what we can produce and it appears the increased demand is going to last than I would hire someone. The news media acts like all we have to do to help the economy is hire someone regardless of the demand for your particular product.
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#615039 - 08/07/10 09:38 PM Re: Jobs [Re: Jerry Garcia]
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The news media, general public and the goberment all think that Jerry.
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#615052 - 08/07/10 10:45 PM Re: Jobs [Re: ]
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So what's it going to take for an increased demand for goods and services? I know, how about another tax break for corporations? We've been told all along by the Rs that's what creates jobs.
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#615060 - 08/08/10 12:10 AM Re: Jobs [Re: ]
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Engage your brain before hitting the keys OR read a little about economics. Uncle Milty is a good start, try it as it does help.
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#615061 - 08/08/10 12:11 AM Re: Jobs [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
Let's add MORE corporate taxes. That will surely increase the workforce...
You're absolutely right. Increasing taxes on corporations can be used as an incentive to a particular fiscal policy which puts other factors in motion that result in an increased workforce. And I didn't even have to read Milton Berle to figure that out.
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#615085 - 08/08/10 09:44 AM Re: Jobs [Re: goharley]
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Wrong Milton guy. So if MB was the comedian then MF is ?
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#615103 - 08/08/10 12:42 PM Re: Jobs [Re: Rivrguy]
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Mother Fukker?
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#615119 - 08/08/10 02:40 PM Re: Jobs [Re: goharley]
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Nope but that is a really good name for the perverted world of economics GH !

Milton Friedman He is a good read GH and a free market guy but he got my attention on how we screwed up free markets and he hit at both R & D. My favorite bit was you have big corporations because you have big government as small business is far more productive but as we have a big government it will drive industry to big corporations, which are less productive. Another is a company that has militant labor unions due of the way it treats its employees, treat them right they are not militant but rather an asset. ( verbiage off a bit but close )

I once read the US economy and citizens succeed despite the government and two parties NOT because of them. More true than I like to believe I think. We can argue whatever as citizens but until we break free of the two party system little will change.
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#615124 - 08/08/10 03:00 PM Re: Jobs [Re: Rivrguy]
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The only way to bring jobs back to America is to force corporations to bring them back from over seas.

Period.

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#615128 - 08/08/10 03:26 PM Re: Jobs [Re: Rivrguy]
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Originally Posted By: Rivrguy
Milton Friedman
Yeah, that's what I said. Same, same.

That naive MF'er was an intellect, not a policy maker, but he influenced the climate in which policy was made. So when he made statements such as "there is one and only one social responsibility of business -- to use its resources and engage in activities designed to increase its profits," policies were inacted that have resulted in the US being in the position she finds herself.

Laissez-faire capitalism, indeed. rolleyes

In regards to the two-party system, the Rs and Ds are simply two competing subsidiaries wholly-owned by Corporate. Regardless of which sub enacts policy, it will no doubt benefit Corporate.
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#615133 - 08/08/10 04:12 PM Re: Jobs [Re: goharley]
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Nope 100% correct. Pure capitalism is the most effective economic engine, also the meanest, harshest just plain crude & rude thing to the working stiff. It does not exist in the world today other than 3rd world countries.

Your view of corporations is one not from reading much but political BS. I will give you and example. I retired early from a corporation after 39 years ( was not management by the way but hourly ) that is busy shedding parts in the manufacturing section of it. Down sizing, nope ............. taxes. Congress passed a law that by going RIT they drop the tax rate from 38 to 18% but you have to only have a certain mix of holdings & manufacturing. Long & short is they shut down some, sold others, all to get to the point needed as they make more money off the base holdings at reduced taxes than by hiring people and making things. The decision was driven by Ins companies and investors dominated by working retirement accounts ( 401k and IRA's ) that were demanding a higher rate of return on investment. That we had a idiot CEO did not help, might I add as he took the golden para and we got the shaft. Bottom line is any business has but one purpose and that is to by providing goods and services to MAKE MONEY. Stock holders demand it and rightly so. My IRA took a bath in this mess we have now but not as much as some as I moved it to protected asset things but if you think for a minute I hold anything that does not perform very well you would be wrong.

Overseas movement by corporations has been driven by the fact that tax laws make it to their advantage to do so or force them to do so to compete in US markets. Add to it the fact that many manufacturing jobs are labor intensive and our society is a high tax high service one that means if you subscribe to the global economy bit or NAFTA then Houston we have a problem as the math does not work. Most economic policies are driven by internal politics, taxes, labor cost, international agreements, and little else. The massive loss of jobs in this recession is the worse self inflicted wound in 50 years in this country. It is costing us our middle class and many will get wealthier but many will get poorer as you do not compete with $1 overseas wages. So choose your poison as the economic policies that corporations base decisions on are created by the congress. Congress sets the playing field not the corporations they just play the game to make all the money they can. Don't like it? Change the rules!

By the way if your trying to impress anyone with your knowledge or intellect then your last post falls a bit short ........... about 8th grade economics.
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#615141 - 08/08/10 04:52 PM Re: Jobs [Re: Rivrguy]
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Too funny. You refute my points by proving them. Yet I'm the one with 8th grade economic skills.

Since you tout your extensive repertoire of reading stock, try some tomes on deductive, logical, and critical thinking skills. No wonder you never made it to management.
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