Do you EVER get it right? AZ is one of a few states that allow concealed carry W/O a permit.

Mebbe we should send some politicians there. J/KING Kinda.

Many believe you should just STFU................and start now.

Really....................just put a cork in your pie hole bait donkey.

Dogfish got it right but omitted some key facts. There was a bystander with a gun. He took the safety off his gun, rushed to the scene and knocked a person who had subdued the shooter into a wall before realizing that he almost shot the hero who had actaully subdued the gunman. The armed hero potentially shot the true hero and was admittedly lucky he did not.

http://www.slate.com/id/2280794/

These facts don't help convince me that having more people carry would help in these situations.

That Slate article was such a pieece of crap loaded with a bunch of "what if" situations. "What if" the mom had aborted this piece of crap before he started all of this?

The author of the article discounted gun owner's "what if" argument and then made his case with his own "what if" argument. What I did was talk about what ACTULALLY HAPPENED, and not what "MIGHT" have happened. What you had was a situation where the guy took in what was happening and reacted, moving towards gunfire. He didn't draw down on anybody. Yes, he had his firearm on him, but he kept it concealed. There was no "potentially shot" person out there, other than in your own mind. Someone got shoved against the wall. So what? Go join your flock of sheep.

The real heroes out there were the men in their 70's who shielded their wives from gunfire and ended up taking rounds for their efforts. One died, one survived. Those men are representative of our greatest generation. I fear quite honestly that we have become a nation of pussies, with few men that actually have the balls to take action when necessary. Instead we have men who would mock someone who approached gunfire, while armed, didn't draw or shoot someone, and helped to detain the suspect. Coulda, woulda, shoulda. Fawk you. Go get a latte and buy your meat from the store.

I'll be that guy, with more training than the guy whose integrity you are trying to impune, that will be running towards the gunfire. Hopefully I will have a few other folks I know here who also have proper training on my side.

You guys are all making my point for me...

The right wing nuts think the 9 year old girl should have had an Uzi and shot him herself, and the left wing nuts (note that none of them are here, this is an all right wing nut party so far) would say that no one should have been armed, and this wouldn't have ever happened.

Fish on...

Todd

Sol Duc,

Uhhh... You can legally carry in a bank. I wouldn't suggest open carry without discussing it with the bank security first, but it is legal. A few clients conceal carry that I've seen printing (gun shaped bulge under clothing, not a cell phone). Only 1 open carries. A few bankers I know carry, but the concensus is that if no shots are fired, give money and get them out the door as fast as possible. Hurt a teller or a customer, and it is game on.

Also, the boolits wouldn't hurt if they weren't moving fast. As usual, speed kills.

( I do like the new avatar, Sol Duc)