Where the hell did you get that dumb idea? "Palestinians" are their own worst enemy. They try to seduce everyone by their suffering, but it's self inflicted. Israel has tried to give these people almost everything they've asked for, but the "Palestinians " refuse to compromise. I hope one day Israel will tell America to shut up and they start defending themselves. End the sh!t once and for all.

Which one? The one where Israelis use the Shoa as a justification for the treatment of the Palestinians?

Or the one where I described the West Bank and Gaza as two giant concentration camps?

Either way,... I'd be happy to provide examples of both,...... many times over.

The question is,............................ would it even be worth it?

I think I hear John Hagee somewhere.

Hey Hank,

Next week I'm coming over to your house. I'm coming there because someone completely unrelated to you kicked me out of my house and murdered most of my family. The reason I'm coming to your house is because my great great grandfather once lived in the bay area. I've never even been to the bay. Once there you're gonna have to move into one of your bathrooms so I can take residence in your house. Once in a while I'm going to allow a few supplies to make it into your bathroom so you can eek out an existence. When you decide to throw poo into my living room as a form of protest, I'm going to toss white phosphorous grenades into the bathroom to put you in your place. If your injured, I'm going to block emergency medical personel from entering. If somene tries to ship you any essential supplies, I'm going to meet them in the foyer with special forces. I'll tape the encounter so when I release footage to the media the only thing the world will see is your rescuers beating my mercenaries with metal pipes and steak knives. The footage of my men firing on your unarmed humanitarians will be suppressed. Also, when you need to leave for work everyday, I'm going to meet you at the bathroom door. You'll be required to produce valid ID and you'll be generally harrassed if you'd like to move back and forth. If you have a problem with that, I hope you like the taste of rifle butts.

I'm hoping you'll enjoy your new existence. Of course, you will have the full option of living in your house, with me, in complete harmony. Although, in doing so, you're gonna have to sign a quit claim deed assigning all rights to the property to SW. Some of your family may want to stay in the bathroom. You can join my special forces unit though and take part in the tossing of white phosphorous grenades in there. You don't have a problem with that right?

That has to be one of the most insane things I've ever read here. I think you left out the part of indiscriminate murder in homicide bombs, and tunnels dug under the houses to pipe in arms from Egypt. Inconvienent truth?

Insane is your f'n middle name, champ.

Yeah,....... it is.

Cordon people of in prison camps and there's suprise when they retaliate? I'm not condoning violence as a form of protest. Although, when people are forced into desparate situations, they do desparate things. This should come as no suprise to anyone.

How about I share a few pictures of the last two Gaza invasions? Parents carrying their dead toddlers. Or how about a few of the 2006 Lebannon invasion? How about a few clips of Israeli gunships firing white phosporous grenades into civilian populations? Or bombing schools? I don't need to post the actual photographs to envoke a viseral reaction as you attempted to do. People can go look for themselves. The Israelis are butchers, it's any wonder they have people who are so desparate to cause them pain they strap a fukking bomb to their chest and end their existence as a means to do it.

The bull$hit goes on with both sides. I'd just prefer Israel flung their $hit without our weapons, our funding, our express consent, and without our UN Security Council vetos of multiple, multiple human rights violations.

And then we in the US wonder why we have a terrorism problem?

Nope, they hate us because we're free non-Muslims

Hey kiddies, taking either side in the Israel/Palestine conflict makes you a stupid azzhole.

Both sides are brutal, violent and think GOD is sitting on their shoulder with a "Go Team" pennant in His hand as an excuse to launch rockets into each other's daycare centers.

It's like saying the Red Sox are better than the Yankees or vice versa. Either way you are just a chuckleheaded azzhole.

SW,

A+.

Yeah, the Palestinian suicide bombers just do it for the 72 virgins, not the desperation of their conditions in Gaza. And Palestinians hate us for our freedoms and not because we arm and support Israeli murder of Palestinians and condemn Palestinian murder of Israelis.

Irie,

Wait just a second, the Sox, or any team, is better than the Yankees. God told me so.

Sg

+ 1 trillion

20 - 20 spot on!

Balfour.

Since when was it the right of Great Britain to promise Palestine to anyone? International Zionism was a failure until the end of WW2. Before that they couldn't get Jews to move there en mass. They were perfectly happy in Eastern Europe.

It is of note. The Israeli gov't created the Hamas organization as a counter balance to the PLO.

Sometimes unintended consequences can be a bitch.

Perhaps you can point point out where I might of said that,.........

Oh yeah,.................................. I didn't.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth to further your already weak argument.

Looks like you've been sufficiently indoctrinated by our neocon foreign policy overlords to consider anything Muslim inherently "evil" and "corrupt". There are bad elements no doubt, but I suggest you read a little history about the relationship between Muslim nations and Western nations for a little context outside of what you see on TV.

That said, Israel is a sovereign nation. They can deal with the Palestinians anyway they see fit. They should do so without any interference from the US. Although, as I said before, I have a huge problem with them doing it with our weapons, our money, our consent, and our UN vetoes allieviating them from any reprocussions stemming from international human rights violations.

If we were to implement those changes there is no guarantee that we would see better relationships with Muslim nations and extremist groups because the history is long and the scars run deep.

Although it would certainly be better than what we are doing now and it certainly wouldn't be making things worse.

Which is exactly what our middle east foreign policy does now.

Despite the view of most Americans ignorant of history there was in fact goings on between the Western World and Muslim nations prior to September 11th, 2001. Al-CIA-duh didn't just wake up one day and decide they wanted to attack the United States.

Bin Laden himself described the reasons for the WTC attacks as resistance to foreign troops taking occupation of their land and US support for Israel.

If extremist Muslims are so hell bent on destroying any culture that does not conscribe to their beliefs, as you describe,.............

why didn't they fly 757's into The Fortune Plaza in Beijing?

After all they're just a bunch of godless commies in the eyes of religious extemists right?

P.S. - If you think there is going to be a victor in all of this you are way off base. What have we won so far? An empty bank account and a collapsed economy? What do we win if there even is such thing as a definable victory in all of this?

A shiny medal? A new car?

Hankster,

Your conclusion I can agree with. How 'bout that?

SW,

More salient points. ++. Bin Laden did use that description as the rationale for attacking the U.S.

Then again, I kinda' like the way George Carlin (RIP) summed it up, that we are a war-like nation that likes to drop bombs on brown people.

Sg

Aunty M,

I don't see anyone blaming America. When we put our country in the position of giving huge military and financial aid to Israel (and what do we get for that?), we step into the situation of Arab countries saying, "the friend of my enemy is my enemy." By choosing Israel as a friend, we concurrently choose a bunch of enemies. My point has been that, with friends like Israel, who needs enemies?

Nations should act in their self interest. I don't see how having anything to do with Israel is in the U.S.' interest.

Sg

"They did it so it's OK if we do it too."

Even the 8yr olds I coach know better than that.

Muslims, Christians, Jews,..........they've all been killing each other for thousands of years.

What's a thousand more right?

Aunty, as long as they are people with your mind set content with the status quo, we'll continue to reap what we sow. (Ha! I'm a poet and didn't even know it.)

God help us all if that's the case.

+ many.

At no time in history have two sovereign nations had identical self-interests.

I don't trust our media for truthfulness these days, nor do I trust their analyst. After all, our media and it's experts is what has driven us into these hateful wars (WMD) and economic collapse ($$$ Trillons). False flag operations are typical for manipulating a people to sacrifice their sons and daughters in a false belief framed as righteous. Just saying......

The treats are in response to occupation of their homeland. Doh!! If we were occupied we ( I ) would also pose a treat to the occupier. If it were my family members that were killed unjustly in my homeland (America), I would also pose a treat to the perpetrator(s). Makes sense to me. This is a debate that America can't win on principles of righteousness and security. It's insane!

As long as Israel occupies Palestinians Homeland there neighbors will help them to resist. That's what good neighbors do. I would hope that it would hold true for us as well if the need arise. I care about my neighbors welbeing, and maintain an intent of doing unto others as I want them to do unto me. For each of us to hold onto that "Us" and "Them" mentality is much to abstract, dysfunctional and crazy.

It's time we consider calling a time out (individually and collectively) for education, self evaluation, reconciliation, and afterword's doing an inventory for cleaning up our own toxic rational (individual and collective) that contaminates the whole of our system. In doing so one must find the willingness to change, if indications suggest it, in order to contribute in mankind's interest of realizing a more functional and sustainable World. Our current thinking is self destructive and unsustainable, no matter the money spent to the contrary. It's time that we all do and think in ways that work and are holistic, and stop doing the things that don't work and are toxic, which threatens all life on planet. My .02