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#661771 - 02/09/11 03:28 PM Re: Crows are smart [Re: Rocket Red]
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Tornado of crows.
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#661811 - 02/09/11 06:06 PM Re: Crows are smart [Re: Dogfish]
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Be careful what you wish for. It might not be the dolphins that take over the world...
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#661813 - 02/09/11 06:25 PM Re: Crows are smart [Re: Man of logic]
Sol Duc Offline
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I feed four pair's of Stellar Jays peanuts every other day, now I have a Murder of 25 Crows that show up. Mrs Cooper Hawk shows up and everything get's real quiet for 2-3 hours, she stands about 16-17" tall and she is a killing machine and likes to eat Crow and whatever she feels like. thumbs
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#661816 - 02/09/11 06:33 PM Re: Crows are smart [Re: Sol Duc]
AP a.k.a. Kaiser D Offline
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Registered: 01/31/02
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Loc: B'ham
I remember killing for sport with a BB gun when I was about 12. I'm glad I grew out of that.

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#661840 - 02/09/11 09:01 PM Re: Crows are smart [Re: AP a.k.a. Kaiser D]
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Yeah, I regret killing chickadees and what not. I have adopted a shoot and eat only policy starting around the age of 17.
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#661864 - 02/09/11 10:35 PM Re: Crows are smart [Re: Dan S.]
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Originally Posted By: Dan S.
National Geo did a show on ravens and crows that was pretty amazing. They showed these ravens in Yellowstone Park swoop down on a group of parked snowmobiles. They proceeded to unbuckle the saddle bags, toss out a bunch of crap like scarves and gloves, and raid their lunches inside the saddle bags.

The only black bird I'd shoot just for the hell of it any more is a starling. I have a new-found respect for ravens and crows, so I give them a pass.


Yep.

I used to make a regular sport of crows as a kid. It got to the point that anytime they'd see me they caw and make all kinds of racket but stay out of sight. They even found out where I slept and would gather in the tree outside my window and O dark thirty EVERY morning and start up with an ungodly racket until they heard a door or window open and then take off. Made my life hell. Thankfully, I graduated and moved out soon after. I quit fvcking with them after that.
Had a 'friend' that rescued a baby crow that had fallen from the nest. The rest of the murder was trying to kill it. She nursed it back to health and let it go, but everyday, exactly at 5:30 when she got home, it would land on the gutter over her front door then hop onto her shoulder and eat cat food out of her hand. She later got a puppy and it never came back.

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#661879 - 02/09/11 11:02 PM Re: Crows are smart [Re: Irie]
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Two years ago I found a baby Crow in the back yard that fell or got pushed out of the nest. He was damn near full size but couldn't fly, I called my vet and he said bring him in and he would take a look at him. He gave him some antibiotics and said the best chance of him making it was to get him back in the nest. There was no way to reach the nest in the Madrona tree so I had to put him on the ground. This went on for three weeks but he still couldn't fly. The whole time his Mom kept feeding him and never abandoned him. His siblings would hang out with him on the ground to keep him company during the day, at night he would bunker down in the bushes and come out at day break. Talk about a noisy 3 weeks...he was driving us crazy grin Woke up one morning and it was really quiet, went looking for him and only found a foot and some entrails shocked

It gave me a new respect on their social network. I like Crows now. grin
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#661889 - 02/09/11 11:25 PM Re: Crows are smart [Re: Salmo g.]
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
Dogfish,

Is an .17 HMR like a .22? I don't keep up with changes and advances in the shooting world. Is a .17 HMR quiet?

I've been thinking of buying a quality pellet gun, wondering if they are accurate up to about 40 yd for pest control and other annoying things.

Sg


A .17HMR is a .22 Magnum necked down to 17 cal.

They shoot a 17-20gr bullet at about 2500 fps.

No,they're not quiet.

High end pellet guns aren't either. The break barrel designs shoot pellets up over 1000 fps. They have a very noticable crack when fired.

They easily smoke a crow or rabbit sized game at 40yds.

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#661890 - 02/09/11 11:26 PM Re: Crows are smart [Re: Sol Duc]
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Registered: 01/04/10
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My yard has been a no fly zone for better part of three years.

Bait'n em by sprinkling McDonald's in the back yard won't even get bit anymore.

Subsonic 22's from inside the house, make the dead Indians fear the juju that emanates from my kitchen and bathroom window. Wonder what the legend is on double dead Indians?

........Foxpro's FX3 crow call is almost cheating when MickyD's aint handy dandy.

Squirrels will eat French fries too. Proven fact......but just once.

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#661893 - 02/09/11 11:49 PM Re: Crows are smart [Re: Joe Merlot]
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All birds except Starlings have complete sanctuary in my yard. . .. . .Starlings and Grey Spuirells are on a strict shoot on site policy. . ..the Douglas Squirell likes to watch the grey bastages die, sometimes I think he baits them in for me. . .yes, even the cheaper ($70) pellet guns will kill them dead out to about 20 yds. . shoot
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#661897 - 02/10/11 12:02 AM Re: Crows are smart [Re: FishRanger]
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I might see a flock of Starlings once or twice a year for just an hour or so and then there gone. beer
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#661911 - 02/10/11 12:52 AM Re: Crows are smart [Re: Sol Duc]
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I swear I herd one talk to me. He flew to a roof top about eight feet from my head while i was enjoying a beverage on a friends deck in Clearview. ( first bev of the day mind you)He said Hello and another word I couldn't make out. I walked up to within a couple of feet from him before he flew. Had to have been someones pet.
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#661913 - 02/10/11 12:59 AM Re: Crows are smart [Re: Achewter]
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I heard a Raven making the craziest ass noises in Banff ,I can't even describe it...sorta like...I dunno, It didn't sound anything like a Bird.
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#661914 - 02/10/11 01:01 AM Re: Crows are smart [Re: Joe Merlot]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Merlot
My yard has been a no fly zone for better part of three years.

Bait'n em by sprinkling McDonald's in the back yard won't even get bit anymore.

Subsonic 22's from inside the house, make the dead Indians fear the juju that emanates from my kitchen and bathroom window. Wonder what the legend is on double dead Indians?

........Foxpro's FX3 crow call is almost cheating when MickyD's aint handy dandy.

Squirrels will eat French fries too. Proven fact......but just once.


Nice!

I only need to kill a few crows per year and they stay away, so it isn't wanton killing, just one every few months. Crows eat chicken food and spread West Nile virus, plus they pick on small chickens, etc. Starlings die when I get a chance. Predation control is an issue on a farm. Everything else lives.

SG, Sunday Money is correct, the .17 HMR is a necked down, and has a sharp report. Hopefully though, 90 days after the end of this session when suppressors are not only legal to own, but also to use use, so I'll spend some more money on a few tax stamps and go quieter on future kills.

I do miss the days of predator control on the farms I hunted ducks on. Starlings on the way to the cow barns with a shotgun. Barn pigeons by the 100's, and the occassional crow with my Webley Patriot .22 pellet gun.
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#661915 - 02/10/11 01:03 AM Re: Crows are smart [Re: Sol Duc]
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Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
I heard a Raven making the craziest ass noises in Banff ,I can't even describe it...sorta like...I dunno, It didn't sound anything like a Bird.


While we were bear hunting in 2008 we spent about 50 hours in a blind. Hearing the crows "meow" was neat, along with the other sounds they make that you don't usually hear.
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#661925 - 02/10/11 02:45 AM Re: Crows are smart [Re: Achewter]
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Originally Posted By: Achewter
I swear I herd one talk to me. He flew to a roof top about eight feet from my head while i was enjoying a beverage on a friends deck in Clearview. ( first bev of the day mind you)He said Hello and another word I couldn't make out. I walked up to within a couple of feet from him before he flew. Had to have been someones pet.


Thats a trip. I know some ravens can speek if trained, like a parrot. Some zoos got 'em.
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#661933 - 02/10/11 10:17 AM Re: Crows are smart [Re: ]
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I agree that the range of sounds made by ravens is awesome. We have a pair around here that I love to listen to. Now crows . . .
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#661936 - 02/10/11 10:40 AM Re: Crows are smart [Re: Dogfish]
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Originally Posted By: Dogfish




Starlings die when I get a chance.



Everyone should be killing Starlings. They're an invasive species,just like the Eastern Gray Squirrel that everyone finds so cute.

I try to kill every Starling and E. Gray that comes into my yard. The Squirrels are easy. Everyone in my neighborhood feeds them,so they end up on the back porch looking for a handout. They get a short range lead sammich.

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#662019 - 02/10/11 05:43 PM Re: Crows are smart [Re: SundayMoney]
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I give the grey squirrels an option .. . go in the live trap or die. . . the ones that go in the box get a ride down to 3R or Seattle. .. . . . suprisingly they don't seem to make very good crab bait . . .
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#662029 - 02/10/11 05:53 PM Re: Crows are smart [Re: ParaLeaks]
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Phew...I thought for sure you were going to say he dipped it in ranch and then ate it!! Sorry, couldn't resist..Cool story though..

Originally Posted By: Slab Happy
I've got a crow story.
Was eating my lunch in the car in a gravel pit. Had hot wings. Finished off the first one and tossed the bone out the window. Mr Crow comes in and walks over and picks up the bone. Immediately spits it out....was pretty spicy, all right.
Any way, then he did something that I thought was amazing. He circled the bone on the ground and as he walked around it, he would reach in with one foot and quickly touch the bone. He did this three or four times, feeling the bone with his foot to see if it was still "hot". Apparently spicy hot is no different than heated hot to a bird. He left the bone and flew away.

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