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#661995 - 02/10/11 04:02 PM Mubarak Live...
Todd Offline
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Let's see if this works...it's live, so be watching it now!

[video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/aljazeeraenglish?feature=ticker[/video]
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#661996 - 02/10/11 04:02 PM Re: Mubarak Live... [Re: Todd]
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Guess not...click the link, you can hear him live talking to the people of Egypt.

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#661997 - 02/10/11 04:04 PM Re: Mubarak Live... [Re: Todd]
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Looks like he handed power over to Suleiman...and the crowd is not very happy about it...apparently he only handed over some powers, and said he won't run in the next elections in September...I think this might get ugly now, this is not what the people want, not even close.

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#662010 - 02/10/11 05:00 PM Re: Mubarak Live... [Re: Todd]
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Yep, not good news I would think. flog
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#662015 - 02/10/11 05:32 PM Re: Mubarak Live... [Re: Sol Duc]
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Up the revolution!

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#662023 - 02/10/11 05:44 PM Re: Mubarak Live... [Re: Todd]
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does not sound good at all......
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#662028 - 02/10/11 05:49 PM Re: Mubarak Live... [Re: big moby]
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Good luck to all those folks.

They're gonna need it.
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#662055 - 02/10/11 07:22 PM Re: Mubarak Live... [Re: ]
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"Denial ain't just a river in Egypt."
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#662175 - 02/11/11 06:22 AM Re: Mubarak Live... [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Military is supposed to have a response today. So far they seem to be backing the protestors.

Looks like quite a crowd over there this morning. Coming to a head pretty soon I think?????
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#662195 - 02/11/11 11:35 AM Re: Mubarak Live... [Re: ]
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Whoa!
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#662198 - 02/11/11 11:43 AM Re: Mubarak Live... [Re: cobble cruiser]
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I'm not surprised, it was going to have to happen over the weekend, at the lastest...pretty aweseome stuff.

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#662199 - 02/11/11 11:47 AM Re: Mubarak Live... [Re: Todd]
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Fox is reporting that Muslim Brotherhood is in control. rofl
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#662200 - 02/11/11 11:47 AM Re: Mubarak Live... [Re: ]
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wow!
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#662208 - 02/11/11 12:02 PM Re: Mubarak Live... [Re: Brewer]
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What?? Without an U.S. invasion, or shock-n-awe blowed up stuff?

Just another example of how President Obama has a flawed foreign policy.
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#662209 - 02/11/11 12:04 PM Re: Mubarak Live... [Re: goharley]
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He should be on T.V any minute to take the credit. grin
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#662219 - 02/11/11 12:48 PM Re: Mubarak Live... [Re: ]
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He did give a good speech in Cairo last year. But I'm sure it was really bush's actions in 2003 that motivated the people to finally act this year.
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#662360 - 02/11/11 11:00 PM Re: Mubarak Live... [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: AuntyM
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Add that to the fact Egypt is the world's largest importer of wheat and there isn't much of that to go around


Obama says we need to get off foreign oil so we gotta grow more corn to meet his methenol madness. Can't be worryin about world starvation Hank. What ARE you thinking?


I think the issue was wheat, not corn -- unless it's Robinson Crusoe era corn we're talking about.

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#662452 - 02/12/11 02:22 PM Re: Mubarak Live... [Re: ]
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Packaged seed corn sits in the barn of a seed dealer. How much of this would you need to drive across the country? Check out pictures of alternative fuel vehicles.With so much volatility in today's world oil market, many are seeking out alternative fuels to power cars. Some, including corn producers, have touted ethanol is a possible alternative fuel. Ethanol, or ethyl alcohol, is made by fermenting and distilling simple sugars from corn. Ethanol is sometimes blended with gasoline to produce gasohol. Ethanol-blended fuels account for 12 percent of all automotive fuels sold in the United States, according to the Renewable Fuels Association. In very pure forms, ethanol can be used as an alternative to gasoline in vehicles modified for its use.

In order to calculate how much corn you would have to grow to produce enough ethanol to fuel a trip across the country, there are a couple of basic factors we have to consider:



Let's assume that you drive a Toyota Camry, the best-selling car in America in 2000. We know that the Toyota Camry with automatic transmission gets 30 miles per gallon of gas on the highway.
Gasoline is more efficient than ethanol. One gallon of gasoline is equal to 1.5 gallons of ethanol. This means that same Camry would only get about 20 miles to the gallon if it were running on ethanol.
We also need to know how far you are traveling: Let's say from Los Angeles to New York, which is 2,774 miles (4,464.2 km), according to MapQuest.com.
Through research performed at Cornell University, we know that 1 acre of land can yield about 7,110 pounds (3,225 kg) of corn, which can be processed into 328 gallons (1240.61 liters) of ethanol. That is about 26.1 pounds (11.84 kg) of corn per gallon.
First, we need to figure out how much fuel we will need:



2,774 miles / 20 miles per gallon = 138.7 gallons
(METRIC: 4,464.2 km / 8.5 km per liter = 525.2 liters)
We know that it takes 26.1 pounds of corn to make 1 gallon of ethanol, so we can now calculate how many pounds of corn we need to fuel the Camry on its trip:



138.7 gallons * 26.1 pounds = 3,620.07 total pounds of corn
(METRIC: 525.2 liters * 3.13 kg = 1,642 kg)
You will need to plant a little more than a half an acre of corn to produce enough ethanol to fuel your trip.

According to the research from Cornell, you need about 140 gallons (530 liters) of fossil fuel to plant, grow and harvest an acre of corn. So, even before the corn is converted to ethanol, you're spending about $1.05 per gallon.

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"The energy economics get worse at the processing plants, where the grain is crushed and fermented," reads the Cornell report. The corn has to be processed with various enzymes; yeast is added to the mixture to ferment it and make alcohol; the alcohol is then distilled to fuel-grade ethanol that is 85- to 95-percent pure. To produce ethanol that can be used as fuel, it also has to be denatured with a small amount of gasoline.

The final cost of the fuel-grade ethanol is about $1.74 per gallon. (Of course, a lot of variables go into that number.)

For more information on ethanol and fuel economy, check


Edited by Sol Duc (02/12/11 02:48 PM)
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#662808 - 02/14/11 12:23 PM Re: Mubarak Live... [Re: ]
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Credit for the revolution in Egypt will be given to Facebook and the internet as much as the Egyptian people's secular interest in personal freedom and democracy. I was reading that 70% of the Egyptian population is under age 30 and that they are tech savy.

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#662812 - 02/14/11 12:40 PM Re: Mubarak Live... [Re: Salmo g.]
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Credit goes to the protestors...hopefully it will turn out to be the result they are looking for.

Fish on...

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#662850 - 02/14/11 03:10 PM Re: Mubarak Live... [Re: ]
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If Bush gets the blame for our current economy (seeds planted before his arrival) and Clinton gets credit for the economy of the 90's, why shouldn't Bush get a little credit for shining the light of democracy in the ME? He obviously didn't do it all, but did kick over the first rock. Its kinda ironic that a guy named Zuckerberg created a tool that ended up being pretty instrumental in Eygpt's quest for freedom and democracy. smile

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#662937 - 02/14/11 06:53 PM Re: Mubarak Live... [Re: ]
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Bush shouldn't get any credit, especially for kicking over the first rock. Remember, he specifically said we weren't going to Iraq to bring democracy or do any sort of nation-building. We went there after the WMD that turned out not to be there. Hence, it was "Mission Accomplished" in 2 or 3 weeks. Hell Bush couldn't even find Egypt on a map, or anywhere for that matter. I'm plenty willing to give Bush full credit for both the good and the bad things he did. Quite bipartisan of me, don't you think. He gets positive points for invading Afghanistan for revenge and negative points for invading Iraq cuz Saddam tried to kill his daddy. It's that simple.

It will be very cool is this event in Egypt becomes known as the "Facebook Revolution," or something like that.

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#662992 - 02/14/11 09:04 PM Re: Mubarak Live... [Re: ]
Todd Offline
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
Is there still a tyrannical dictator in Iraq? Did they have democratic elections there?


I hope you're not actually comparing Egypt to Iraq...really?

Fish on...

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