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#676298 - 04/09/11 02:31 PM Re: Government shut down. [Re: Todd]
Sol Duc Offline
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Here a little partisan c/p. beer

While Republicans wanted to cut more spending in Saturday's early morning compromise to keep the government open, they think they got the better of the deal.

Here's why: HR1 was originally to seek spending cuts of $32 billion until Tea Party conservatives insisted on more than $ 60 billion. House Speaker John Boehner won more cuts than he originally sought and got the Senate to agree to votes to defund the health care reform law and groups like the nation's largest abortion provider Planned Parenthood - once votes Senate Majority leader Harry Reid said he'd never allow to come to the floor.Back on February 3, Reid called $32 billion in cuts "extreme" and "draconian."

At a news conference New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., agreed, "I happen to think some of their cuts are extreme and go overboard. But every week they keep upping the ante and proposing extreme cuts."

Over the next decade the cuts are expected to save hundreds of billions of dollars.

The deal mandates a host of studies and audits of Obama administration policies. It also blocks additional funds for the IRS sought by the Obama administration and bans federal funding of abortion in Washington, D.C.

The history of offers on this bill goes something like this. Democrats first offered no cuts, then $4 billion, then $6.5 billion, then $33 billion, then settled at $38.5 billion.

Boehner made numerous adjustments to his offer in recent days too, but started at $32 billion, then with a Tea Party push went to $62 billion, then dropped to $40 billion, then $38.5 billion.

Democrats claimed they met Republicans halfway after the $10 billion in cuts that already passed this year were approved. They settled late Friday night at three and a half times more.

Boehner came in $8.5 billion higher than the halfway point between his high offer of $61 billion in cuts and the Democrats opening bid of zero cuts.

It was not a totally lopsided bargain. Dems have some silver linings. There were no votes on defunding the EPA or PBS and NPR. Democrats fought for and won a $2 billion cut from the Department of Defense, knocking the military appropriation for the rest of the year down to $513 billion.

But the GOP had to be able to see this as a win in the end, because it is puny compared to what they want to do next.

House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan's 2012 budget resolution proposes cuts of $5 TRILLION in the next 10 yrs.

But the resolution is a non-binding roadmap for the committees to use as they approve tax and spending bills for next year, the resolution will never be signed into law by the president.

The next battle with consequences begins in a matter of two short weeks when the accumulated U.S. debt will be nearing it's $14 trillion legal limit. So Congress will have to vote to raise the ceiling so Uncle Sam can borrow still more money.

The administration has said it will need to be raised between April 15 and May 31 or the U.S. could default and create a new fiscal crisis of unknowable magnitude. Fiscal hawks plan to demand strict, enforceable spending caps, triggers for across the board cuts, and austerity measures in exchange for raising the debt limit.

This short-term agreement was just a beginning.
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#676299 - 04/09/11 02:33 PM Re: Government shut down. [Re: Salmo g.]
Sol Duc Offline
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
SD,

Not sure. Four years maybe. You trying to get rid of me? Why do you hate this country?
Sg


Just thought you were getting to that age, not that you look old like Hank/KK or anything. :>)~~
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#676307 - 04/09/11 02:47 PM Re: Government shut down. [Re: Todd]
Steelheadman Offline
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Registered: 03/15/99
Posts: 4166
Loc: Poulsbo, WA,USA
Yeah I think you got it right Todd. All over funding for cases of condoms. They can provide condoms to sailors but not to PP. The GOP can go suck tailpipes and take a hit of greenhouse gases. The Dems are not blameless either as they backed down to the GOP and showed weakness. Time for them to nut up! Whatever happened to moderates - seems that the right is going more conservative and the left is still too liberal.

I'm essentially non-essential. I have more seniority and experience than the few that would have worked but was told I might be called in. Funny how they choose. Wife was going to work because she was funded for a few weeks.

Was going to go stand in line at the unemployment office then go down to Oregon to live on the river and fish until October 1st and mail a few resumes out.

Oh well maybe next weekend.
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#676309 - 04/09/11 02:58 PM Re: Government shut down. [Re: Steelheadman]
Sol Duc Offline
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Anyone else see those screeching wenches at the State Capital, gawd it was like nails on a chalk board. Worse than waterboarding. rofl


Edited by Sol Duc (04/09/11 03:06 PM)
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#676313 - 04/09/11 03:04 PM Re: Government shut down. [Re: ]
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Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Phase 4) Now we have to blame this crisis on the other Party.

Fish on...

Todd
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#676314 - 04/09/11 03:07 PM Re: Government shut down. [Re: ]
Sol Duc Offline
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Hank, could you translate that in Chinese for future reference,thanks.
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#676317 - 04/09/11 04:19 PM Re: Government shut down. [Re: ]
Todd Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
You have to admit, the reason why NPR and PP are on the right wing chopping block is pandering to their base...their very base, base.

Get rid of corporate tax breaks and the Bush tax cuts for the rich, and you'd do a hella more good for the deficit than you'll do cutting a thousand NPR's and PP's...but somehow that base base has been convinced that it's good for them to have the tax cuts and corporate loopholes. Talk about suckers...they vote directly in contradiction to their own well being...and will continue to do so as the right wing throws abortion, Nigerian muslims, and immigration up as a smokescreen.

Sad to watch...must be even more sad to be one of those idiots.

Fish on...

Todd
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#676622 - 04/11/11 01:23 AM Re: Government shut down. [Re: Todd]
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Registered: 01/13/03
Posts: 2562
Loc: Edmonds
Originally Posted By: Todd
Kicking the can down the road is the precursor to the actual job of Congress...

Everyone kicks the can down the road, but the real work of Congress is seeing which side of the aisle can be blamed for it the most when election time comes around.

No one seems to want to actually do anything...seems the best way to get elected/stay elected is to actively sabotage anyone actually doing anything, and then try and aportion blame for nothing getting done...preferably to your opponent personally, and failing that, his/her party and try to get 'em with guilt by association.

Actually doing something is fraught with risk...one, as noted above, no one on either side of the aisle wants to actually do anything, so you're going to get opposition from all sides...two, no matter what you do, if actually do get something done proactively, it will be so amended and fukked up by the time it passes that it won't work, and you'll be blamed for it, even though you're not the one who amended or fukked it up.

Much easier to do nothing, and then try and blame the other side for nothing getting done.

Fish on...

Todd


VERY well stated.
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