The effing ACLU seems to do more harm than good it seems. I see no reason a person asking to receive state assistance should not be drug tested. I was drug tested every single time I have ever applied for a job.

Florida Today

ORLANDO — A federal court judge in Orlando is hearing arguments about the constitutionality of a Florida law that requires state welfare applicants to take drug tests before receiving assistance.

The Florida American Civil Liberties Union is arguing against the law Monday and contends that by applying for welfare in Florida, applicants are being forced to forfeit their constitutional right against unlawful search. The state is being represented by an attorney from the governor’s office.

The ACLU is asking the judge to issue a preliminary injunction against the law.

Some state Republicans say a recent figure showing that 2.7 percent of about 2,000 applicants were denied funds after positive tests shows that the program is a deterrent to drug users. A Democratic state senator has proposed legislation to repeal the law.

I wonder if you would feel the same way if some drugged out or hung over A&P Mechanic, not subject to Alcohol & Drug testing, because it was a waste of time and money, left a rigging pin in a flight control cable bellcrank for the elevator of an airplane you were a passenger in.

Of course you wouldn't know about it; but after the TSB investigation your survivors would, because the plane would more than likely get stuck in a high angle climb and stall out, causing a crash.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...h-row-inmates/1



Here's another one for the ACLU.

I've been doing em so long I could pass anything they through at me.

The Staminator is setting the bar high today.

However we had a very long thread on this topic not so long ago.

Sg

We have to agree to submit to random testing (construction industry).
I have seen it weed out knuckleheads on several occasions.

This is all about stigmatizing people, nothing more. If it was about public safety then Florida would require drug tests prior to renewing a drivers license. But we know that's not going to happen. So I side with the ACLU on this one.

I agree 100%.

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Todd

Right wingers would never advocate for the Gubmint involving itself in anyone's private life...unless, of course, that hypothetical "anyone" out there just might be doing something that they themselves don't like, in which case they wholeheartedly embrace the expenditure of Gubmint resources to stop them, posthaste.

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Todd

Not relevant...most every time the RWWJ's support Gubmint intrusion into our personal lives it costs more than it saves, and usually it saves absolutely nothing at all while costing money.

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Todd

If the Goverment is going to drug test a citizen applying for monetary assistance then randomly drug test and apply the same consequences to ellected officials because the decisions and policy coming from these idiots is in my opinion so whacked they gotta be rrrrrrrrreeeealllly f**ckn high.

The Mexican Drug Cartels are going to have their lobbyist all over this one.

Drinking is legal. Drugs aren't. There's a difference between doing whatever you want on your "free time" vs. illegal substances. Just like criminal checks are commonplace to find housing or employment, drug tests should be too. If you haven't been breaking the law, you have nothing to hide.

Your welcome to do whatever the F you want on your own time, so long as its within the bounds of what's legal.

Get your head out of your @$$ if your going to ask me how alcohol is relevant when you talked about it in your prior post. I'm just following up on your comments...

It's relevant because you mentioned it being a similar issue to drugs, regarding that alcohol is legal and you brought up the point about having an alcohol device in cars being mandatory/or not. Your right, it isn't tested nor should be because it is legal.

Drugs = any illegal substance or illegal abuse of some type of drug, whether legal or illegal (prescription misuse comes to mind)... Not going to get into the whole pot legality thing. If you want to be paid by the government, you should have to follow their rules, simple as that. Don't like it? Don't sign up for it then.

If you want to be a stickler, than yes, you could saw we are paying them thru our taxes. But you know damn well what I meant when I said paid by the government. They appropriate our tax money, knock it off with your short man syndrome and step down from the ladder.

The alcohol versus pot and which is worse debate will rage on because different folks have different perspectives. That being said I do agree it is dangerous but since it is legal we have no right to control it nor prosecute anyone for it as long as people don't drive or commit crimes or anything else illegal while drunk. This is obviously a gray area for some folks. I have no problem with people getting shitcanned drunk as long as they stay away from the wheel. Nowhere did I say it was OK to drink and drive. My point this whole time has been whether activity is illegal.

When you assume, you make an ass out of u. I don't engage in any drug usage and keep my alcohol intake in check thanks to a bad history of alcohol problems within the family. I understand that tax paying citizens smoke the reefer and screw around with the bottle, and contrary to your belief of my views, I don't think the govt should dick around and poke their head into our private lives.

Where it crosses the line is when folks getting paid by tax money are abusing drugs. ILLEGAL is that line. If you want to be paid on taxpayers dollars, than keep a clean record in that respect. Don't like it? Don't sign up for it. You were forewarned. Just the same with private employers who require drug tests. If I owned my own company, I'd like to make sure I wasn't hiring or employing someone who used illegal drugs...

"If I have broken no laws I have nothing to hide nor fear."

I've heard those words many times, usually by those defending an intrusive government policy that seems at odds with our ideals of individual liberty and guaranteed rights. My queston is, when did nothing to hide become an American virtue? What became of the presumption of innocence?

Agreed. It's used to try to justify an "ends" to the "means".

Anti-American and disgusting on it's face.....not to mention a violation of the 4th Ammendment. Our founding Fathers would roll over in their graves knowing how our Republic has slid...

Really? That's news to me, because when I worked as one I was subject to random drug and alcohol testing on a regular basis, as part of the rules set forth by the FAA and the USDOT.


Do I want government intruding in my life? No more than you do, but you and I are not asking the government to support us, or at least I'm not. Getting a driver's license is not the same as asking for the government to pay for your livelihood, apples and oranges...apples and oranges.

Stigmatized? Really? I don't think they are asking anymore of someone on or applying for Welfare than they do of anyone else on the payroll of the state or federal government, except for the fact that the Welfare recipients are not WORKING for their money.

Try this on for size Chuck...

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