#708644 - 10/07/1112:57 PMRe: Wall Street Protest
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An open letter to the media:
you're still not getting it. your reporters are lazy.
traditionally, protests have been the culmination of a movement organized by a heirarchy of leaders who determined demands and then held public protests to promote those demands.
old way: injustice-->organization-->demands-->protest.
but we aren't a traditional protest.
our way, the protest comes first and serves as its own organizational tool. the protestors determine their own demands. messy, but much more democratic, yes?
the problem with the old way is the protest ends, the protestors go home, and the demands are ignored. repeat.
but our protest never ends. that is why we call it an occupation.
new way: injustice-->occupation-->self organization-->revolution
what you reported as disorganized and rudderless was actually in the process of self-organizing. you were too blind to see it. you were looking for an end at the beginning.
in just 3 weeks we've grown to over 60 cities. we are ever 10000 strong today in new york alone.
we are occupying. we are organizing. we are growing. we are not going to stop until our demands are met. it is we who are too big to fail.
We are the People.
We hold this Truth to be self-evident: A government which represents only the interests of banks, media conglomerates, corporations and the richest #1 is no longer democracy. It is oligarchy.
A new form of democracy has come to rescue the old: a democracy by, for, and of the People again.
#708664 - 10/07/1103:14 PMRe: Wall Street Protest
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i hear the SEIU is sending a bunch of members to boost up the protest in Seattle.
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#708666 - 10/07/1103:21 PMRe: Wall Street Protest
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Rooselk
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The CIO wasn't built by having a protest and then going home. Rather, it was built by such actions as workers engaging in a general strike in San Francisco; major protests and strikes by Teamsters in Minneapolis in 1934; and auto workers occupying plants in Flint, Michigan in 1936. These and countless similar actions built the labor movement of the 1930's, which in turn resulted in the creation of the largest middle class in world history.
Some of the demands of the protesters may seem a bit silly but that is true of all significant social movements at the start. For that reason I refuse to disavow this movement simply because they put forward something I may not entirely agree with. Instead I embrace the movement and support it. They are not perfect, but they are on the right track.
#708680 - 10/07/1104:04 PMRe: Wall Street Protest
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Rooselk
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Originally Posted By: Chuck S.
Originally Posted By: Rooselk
Originally Posted By: MartyMoose
i hear the SEIU is sending a bunch of members to boost up the protest in Seattle.
The Washington State Labor Council and the King County Labor Council have called on its member unions to join the protests.
Laughable at best ...
Yeah, a real hoot. Then again I have participated in past demonstrations called and organized by the WSLC and KCLC that turned out tens of thousands of people.
#708690 - 10/07/1104:42 PMRe: Wall Street Protest
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Rooselk
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Originally Posted By: Chuck S.
This libtarded social bonding isnt going to gain anyone a damn thing ... other than a few of those unemployed morons a ticket to pay in the near future
Perhaps. But it will at least accomplish a lot more than the efforts of your Teabagger friends to drag us back to the 19th Century. Besides, if when all is said and done if these demonstrations only manage to embarass the Wall Street barons that your side worship, serve, and drool over, it will have been worth the effort.
#708713 - 10/07/1106:25 PMRe: Wall Street Protest
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Quote:
However just 20% of Americans believe that more government regulation will do the trick while 60% believe that free market competition would do more to help the middle class.
The rest of Americans that believe in the free market, are just uneducated consumers. Discovering the role that our American consumerism has on the rest of the world, ecologically and culturally, has some mighty implications that few would willingly and readily swallow. Cheap gas and cheap groceries are addicting when you're tight on money.
Americans constitute 5% of the world's population but consume 24% of the world's energy. On average, one American consumes as much energy as, 2 Japanese, 6 Mexicans, 13 Chinese, 31 Indians, 128 Bangladeshis, 307 Tanzanians, 370 Ethiopians. Americans eat 815 billion calories of food each day - that's roughly 200 billion more than needed - enough to feed 80 million people. 250 million people have died of hunger-related causes in the past quarter-century — roughly 10 million each year. It would take the resources of 5 planet earths support humanity, if every person consumed as much as an American. There's a reason other nations are sending goods for protestors on Wall street; they hate our corporations.
This protest isn't just aimed at the corporations and government, it's aimed to influence the rest of the Americans too. We the people mofo.
Edited by Jgrizzle (10/07/1109:35 PM)
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This libtarded social bonding isnt going to gain anyone a damn thing ... other than a few of those unemployed morons a ticket to pay in the near future
Reportedly 4K protested in "Little Beirut" with zero arrests. If this movement gets money out of politics then sigh me the fucx up.
#708721 - 10/07/1106:58 PMRe: Wall Street Protest
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At least they aren't "flash-mobbing".
I agree for the most part on what they are protesting about. I'm not certain on how realistic their demands are, or their chances of making any changes, but the items they are complaining about pretty much echo my feelings, especially as it relates to corporate politics, for lack of a better phrase.
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I agree for the most part on what they are protesting about. I'm not certain on how realistic their demands are, or their chances of making any changes, but the items they are complaining about pretty much echo my feelings, especially as it relates to corporate politics, for lack of a better phrase.
I couldn't agree more.
The degree of public opposition to them is odd to me. After much of the media intentionally ignored them for days on end, there is now an intentional effort to dismiss them as jobless whiners. The sure seem to have struck a chord on both sides.
#708744 - 10/07/1109:01 PMRe: Wall Street Protest
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That toppling and bringing Titans to their knees stuff sounds like loads of fun, but truth be told I settle for some regulatory control to hold said Titans and corporations accountable.
Which of course is anathema to conservatives who prefer to worship the invisible hand of the moneychangers.
This libtarded social bonding isnt going to gain anyone a damn thing ... other than a few of those unemployed morons a ticket to pay in the near future
Even if some of of those people are unemployed, is it their fault? (Even though I doubt very many of them are actually unemployed).
I disagree about this movement not gaining anything. I think it's going to make a bigger impact than you think if it doesn't lose momentum.
The teabag movement, on the other hand, didn't gain anything. All that movement did was alienate moderate Republicans and make the Republican party look like it's being run by racist ruhtards. Naturally, I doubt you're intelligent to have realized this by now.
#708758 - 10/07/1110:00 PMRe: Wall Street Protest
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"There’s something happening here. What it is ain’t exactly clear, but we may, at long last, be seeing the rise of a popular movement that, unlike the Tea Party, is angry at the right people."
#708806 - 10/08/1112:25 AMRe: Wall Street Protest
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It does sound like they are having an impact on business. Some restaurants around Westlake might as well close as people(shoppers) avoid Westlake.
I saw a woman with a baby standing on the curb on 4th protesting. Protesting what? IDK . Perhaps she was protesting the forclosure on the loan she could never hope to pay.
I know one of the demands is "Free Health Care" . How insane is that? Do you think your Doctor is going to work for free? Someone is going to pay. Sounds like Socialism to me. Cash, Grass or Ass, nobody rides for free.
Tear down the 1%. Great idea. They are the ones who employ 92% of who have jobs.
20,000 to 40,000 expected tomorrow. How long until they start attacking business's and damaging property? Remember WTO. Look at these people. "Marx was Right" "Communist Party" Soon we will see the masked anarchists. I can almost smell the gas now. Soon this BS will be over. And unlike the Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq they will have accomplished nothing.
I yield the soap box.
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#708812 - 10/08/1112:37 AMRe: Wall Street Protest
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Aunty has a job Chuck, she is a professional poster with 10's of thousands of post's on mutiple boards.
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