#710456 - 10/15/11 05:11 PM
Owner Hooks Help
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Spawner
Registered: 01/28/05
Posts: 730
Loc: Sacramento, CA
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I've been using Gamakatsu Octopus hooks and thinking of switching to Owner. Have a few questions:
1) What hook is Owner's version of the Octopus hook from Gami?
2) If it's the SSW (?) do I want the Cutting Point or the Super Needle Point for drift fishing bait/eggs and artificials?
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#710469 - 10/15/11 05:57 PM
Re: Owner Hooks Help
[Re: Nor Cal Drifter]
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 12/24/01
Posts: 1877
Loc: Kingston, WA
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I would say it is the SSW. Both types are sharp, but the Cutting Point has triple edge and supposedly better penetrating power. Cutting Point are also more expensive. I like Cutting Points for mooching leaders as they hold an edge, but for rivers where I change leaders quite often, I'll use either. That said, I'm still partial to Gami reds for drift fishing bait/eggs and artificials for their lighter wire. Both brands are high quality and I've never had a problem with either. OOC, why are you compelled to change? What are you looking to improve by switching?
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#710474 - 10/15/11 06:28 PM
Re: Owner Hooks Help
[Re: Mooch]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 08/22/11
Posts: 217
Loc: On the Rogue
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It is the SSW that has the bent eye and is the style of the Gami Octopus.
I like the cutting points.
If we got right down to splitting hairs, I'd say the Owner's are a touch sharper than a Gami. That is of course subjective and MHO.
I have 200 or 300 hundred of each and I'll swear every time I reach into a bag of Owners, I get stuck & draw blood.
Edited by IdahoSH (10/15/11 06:57 PM)
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#710486 - 10/15/11 07:00 PM
Re: Owner Hooks Help
[Re: Mooch]
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Spawner
Registered: 01/28/05
Posts: 730
Loc: Sacramento, CA
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OOC, why are you compelled to change? What are you looking to improve by switching? Good question. The Gamis have bent out and/or broke on a few fish this season and cost me a few nice fish. Using size 2 and 4 and drift fishing for Kings.
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#710497 - 10/15/11 08:16 PM
Re: Owner Hooks Help
[Re: Nor Cal Drifter]
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 12/24/01
Posts: 1877
Loc: Kingston, WA
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Using size 2 and 4 and drift fishing for Kings. There is your issue. Switching brand isn't going to help your situation. Gamis and Owners are both equally balanced hooks. I find other brands that are harder and less likely to bend to be far more brittle. I would rather have a hook that gives some than breaks easier when fishing in and around rocks as you can always move up in wire diameter with bigger hooks and/or adjust rod and line combination to match. I'm sure you are fishing 2 and 4's down there for a reason, but up here the smallest I go for kings is a 1/0, typically 4/0, even up to 6/0 depending on my bait, plus I don't find "biting" river kings to be hook or leader shy. These sizes in either brand do not bend or break. Another reason for larger hook sizes is leader test, which in my case is rarely less than 20# due to chinook teeth. If you need to go small, stay with nickel instead of red; they seem harder to me, but you might want to check in with Winterun on this. My opinion's worth what you pay for it, his is golden 
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#710506 - 10/15/11 09:53 PM
Re: Owner Hooks Help
[Re: Mooch]
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Spawner
Registered: 01/28/05
Posts: 730
Loc: Sacramento, CA
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Using size 2 and 4 and drift fishing for Kings. There is your issue. Switching brand isn't going to help your situation. Gamis and Owners are both equally balanced hooks. I find other brands that are harder and less likely to bend to be far more brittle. I would rather have a hook that gives some than breaks easier when fishing in and around rocks as you can always move up in wire diameter with bigger hooks and/or adjust rod and line combination to match. I'm sure you are fishing 2 and 4's down there for a reason, but up here the smallest I go for kings is a 1/0, typically 4/0, even up to 6/0 depending on my bait, plus I don't find "biting" river kings to be hook or leader shy. These sizes in either brand do not bend or break. Another reason for larger hook sizes is leader test, which in my case is rarely less than 20# due to chinook teeth. If you need to go small, stay with nickel instead of red; they seem harder to me, but you might want to check in with Winterun on this. My opinion's worth what you pay for it, his is golden
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#710528 - 10/16/11 12:16 AM
Re: Owner Hooks Help
[Re: SideDriftin']
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The Beav
Registered: 02/22/09
Posts: 2741
Loc: Oregon Central Coast
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Look at a cutting point under a microscope... tripple edge my ass..... *if* I fish an Owner, is a super needle point 
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#710536 - 10/16/11 02:37 AM
Re: Owner Hooks Help
[Re: Free_Globbin]
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12619
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Forget the Owners.... Try these....  Gamakatsu Big River Bait Hook.
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#710537 - 10/16/11 03:07 AM
Re: Owner Hooks Help
[Re: eyeFISH]
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 12/24/01
Posts: 1877
Loc: Kingston, WA
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Try these....
Gamakatsu Big River Bait Hook.
I picked up some 2/0 and 4/0's last month, they've worked out well last 2 weeks for kings using bait under a float. Don't recall seeing anything smaller than 2/0 at OE tho. The sickle design seems very strong. On one hand they seem to be on the heavy side for drifting tho. On the other, they also seem lighter and sharper than Siwash, so I'm giving them a go on some spinners and spoons too. So far so good.
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#710575 - 10/16/11 01:37 PM
Re: Owner Hooks Help
[Re: Free_Globbin]
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Captain C/22 - Team Stay Up Right!
Registered: 01/13/00
Posts: 4194
Loc: Hurricane Ridge , Wa.
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If you haven't tried the Owner Misquito Hooks yet, I would give them a try too. They are a great fine wire hook and I have been pretty pleased with their performance during the last year or so. +1 They are a really nice light wire hook. I also have a stash of the properly tempered #1 & #2 Matzuo sickles, they are money. c/22
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#710659 - 10/16/11 08:28 PM
Re: Owner Hooks Help
[Re: chrome/22]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 01/17/04
Posts: 3751
Loc: Sheltona Beach
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SNP if you go Owner. Also give the Mustad ultra points a look. 
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#710700 - 10/16/11 10:23 PM
Re: Owner Hooks Help
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River Nutrients
Registered: 01/17/04
Posts: 3751
Loc: Sheltona Beach
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The early Matzuo hooks were very good earlier. Not so much today IMHO.
Stay with the upper end hooks.
What if the fish the fish lost was the fish of a lifetime? How much is that worth to bring to hand?
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#710704 - 10/16/11 10:40 PM
Re: Owner Hooks Help
[Re: Mooch]
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Parr
Registered: 10/07/11
Posts: 50
Loc: on the lewis
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Using size 2 and 4 and drift fishing for Kings. There is your issue. Switching brand isn't going to help your situation. Gamis and Owners are both equally balanced hooks. I find other brands that are harder and less likely to bend to be far more brittle. I would rather have a hook that gives some than breaks easier when fishing in and around rocks as you can always move up in wire diameter with bigger hooks and/or adjust rod and line combination to match. I'm sure you are fishing 2 and 4's down there for a reason, but up here the smallest I go for kings is a 1/0, typically 4/0, even up to 6/0 depending on my bait, plus I don't find "biting" river kings to be hook or leader shy. These sizes in either brand do not bend or break. Another reason for larger hook sizes is leader test, which in my case is rarely less than 20# due to chinook teeth. If you need to go small, stay with nickel instead of red; they seem harder to me, but you might want to check in with Winterun on this. My opinion's worth what you pay for it, his is golden +1 Big hooks for big fish, big hooks get more meat... and always nickel instead of red. Gami will always be my first choice!!!
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#710742 - 10/17/11 11:23 AM
Re: Owner Hooks Help
[Re: steeliebill]
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Ornamental Rice Bowl
Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12619
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In my neck of the woods, we fish single and we fish barbless. In fact, it's now the only way I roll.
Without a barb to hold that hook in place, the angler MUST keep constant tension on the fish 100% of the time or risk having the hook back out of the puncture site. Some anglers can do it, but MANY simply can't.
With a smooth curvelinear bend and no barb, the hook can very easily follow its tract in reverse back out thru the original puncture site. With ZERO resistance along a smooth round bend, there's nothing to help keep it from backing out with simple rotation.
With the sickle bend, the sharp acute bend at the bottom of the "J" serves to effectively "lock" that hook in place once it has been set by the angler. The hook resists backing out with simple rotation, esp if it finds a solid bony purchase.
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#710755 - 10/17/11 01:17 PM
Re: Owner Hooks Help
[Re: STRIKE ZONE]
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Spawner
Registered: 08/30/10
Posts: 656
Loc: Grays Harbor
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Love sickles when I can get a batch that is not kinked and junk. Have all 3, Owner, Gami and Matzuo and the Matzuo are the sharpest I have found.
Size wise, I don't fish anything smaller than a 1/0 for nook and most of the time I use 3/0-5/0. Lost too many on a straightened out hook in smaller sizes. If it doesn't float high I add another corky, salmon don't seem to mind one little bit.
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#710759 - 10/17/11 01:41 PM
Re: Owner Hooks Help
[Re: fish_4_all]
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Poodle Smolt
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Loc: McCleary, WA
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