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#710763 - 10/17/11 02:35 PM Stolen Valor
MartyMoose Offline
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The SCOTUS is going to review the case of a man from California that is appealing his conviction under the Stolen Valor Act of 2006. The man claimed he was a former Marine and a winner of the MOH during an election for a Water District. The man PLEADED GUILTY for the crime, but with the understanding that he would appeal. The wonderful 9th Circuit Court of Appeal sided with this clown, so now it faces the SCOTUS. (By the way he never served in any branch of the military, ever.)

I absolutely despise worms like this 'man'. People like him brag about what they did in a war, how many people they killed, the wounds they suffered both mental and physical all in an effort to make themselves look better in the eyes of the people they con.

Many of these impostors use false military service to pick up women for dates , or to con them out of money.

I can usually tell a fake from a mile off...ribbons out of order...improper display of badges or unit patches...rank insignia wrong...or just looking like a Mexican General at the ripe old age of 20...only one person has ever racked up enough hardware to look like that and his name was Audie Murphy.

Most combat veterans I have ever known...don't talk that much about their experiences because it is too emotional for them. So a word to the wise; if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

SCOTUS Reviews Stolen Valor
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#710767 - 10/17/11 03:13 PM Re: Stolen Valor [Re: MartyMoose]
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Not only do I think that guys who lie about stuff like that should be convicted of a crime (if they are using it for some sort of gain to themselves), I also think those who demean or contradict those who actually did earn their honors should also take it in the ass.

If that were the case then half the Republican Party would be in jail for what they did to John Kerry and Max Cleland.

Fish on...

Todd
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#710780 - 10/17/11 04:22 PM Re: Stolen Valor [Re: Todd]
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You are right, M2, Vets don't talk about thier combat experiences. I was in the Navy, spent time in the combat zone but was never really in harm's way like two of my closests friends. In all the 40+ years since, we've never talked about their combat experiences ever.
That's the easiest way to tell if somebody has been thru bad sh!t is if they want to talk about it to somebody that's not a real tight bro.
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#710831 - 10/17/11 08:09 PM Re: Stolen Valor [Re: Chuck E]
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Been working with a guy for a while now, found out the other day he was a door gunner in that SE Asian conflict.
He is for real. The imposters should be punished to the full extent.
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#710859 - 10/17/11 09:48 PM Re: Stolen Valor [Re: Direct-Drive]
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Almost all war heros will tell you that the real heros didn't come home.
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#710868 - 10/17/11 10:18 PM Re: Stolen Valor [Re: Jerry Garcia]
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I'm too lazy to find out the reasoning(?) behind a supporting court ruling.......very puzzling, though.
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#710887 - 10/17/11 11:38 PM Re: Stolen Valor [Re: Jerry Garcia]
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Originally Posted By: Jerry Garcia
Almost all war heros will tell you that the real heros didn't come home.



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#710934 - 10/18/11 10:41 AM Re: Stolen Valor [Re: Jerry Garcia]
MartyMoose Offline
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In 2004 I was able to get the addresses of several of the men from Easy Company of the 2nd Battalion 506th Parachute Regiment..known to many of us through the Band of Brothers book and mini-series.

Bill Guarnere, still feisty as ever tore me a new one when I told him he was a hero to me...The real heroes never came home, he wrote.

I also wrote to and received responses from:

Dick Winters
Don Malarkey
Darrel Powers

Unfortunately, I lost those letters during Hurricane Frances...they got wet and mildewed after my roof was ripped off.
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#711044 - 10/18/11 06:05 PM Re: Stolen Valor [Re: Todd]
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Originally Posted By: Todd
Not only do I think that guys who lie about stuff like that should be convicted of a crime (if they are using it for some sort of gain to themselves), I also think those who demean or contradict those who actually did earn their honors should also take it in the ass.

If that were the case then half the Republican Party would be in jail for what they did to John Kerry and Max Cleland.

Fish on...

Todd


John Kerry rofl The Warrior of Choi Lon Street Bistros & HappyBJ-Land who got a splinter his little pinkie??? rofl Remember Todd, Ossifers spent a minimum of time both on the line and in country (6 months or less). As a USAF S/Sgt at Tuy Hoa AB RVN, 4/67 thru Tet, I can say he was none other than a FRAUD.

added on edit re the original subject -- That SOB should be Bubba's Butt Buddy in a Fed Pen somewhere.


Edited by JohnQ (10/18/11 06:07 PM)
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#711062 - 10/18/11 08:08 PM Re: Stolen Valor [Re: JohnQ]
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What would a USAF S/Sgt at Tuy Hoa AB RVN know about the details of Kerry's service? Doesn't seem relevant to the discussion.

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#711067 - 10/18/11 08:26 PM Re: Stolen Valor [Re: Salmo g.]
JohnQ Offline
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
What would a USAF S/Sgt at Tuy Hoa AB RVN know about the details of Kerry's service? Doesn't seem relevant to the discussion.


More than likely a damn sight more than Libtard Pungent Sounders who did NOT serve there. And if that shoe fits, so be it!
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#711068 - 10/18/11 08:32 PM Re: Stolen Valor [Re: JohnQ]
Todd Offline
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One thing's for sure...I'd trust a right wing shitstain on a fishing forum far more than I'd trust those in the service who signed him up for the Purple Heart, Bronze Star, and Silver Star.

Fish on...

Todd
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#711126 - 10/18/11 11:04 PM Re: Stolen Valor [Re: Todd]
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Let me see, Todd....you would rather have Kerry cover your back than John Q?

You are a fukn idiot.
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#711164 - 10/19/11 01:08 AM Re: Stolen Valor [Re: ]
Todd Offline
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If Kerry was a Republican, then JohnQ would be polishing his balls while offering to polish all of his medals, too. He probably thinks Max Cleland is faking it, too.

Fish on...

Todd
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#711223 - 10/19/11 01:26 PM Re: Stolen Valor [Re: Todd]
JohnQ Offline
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Originally Posted By: Todd
If Kerry was a Republican, then JohnQ would be polishing his balls while offering to polish all of his medals, too. He probably thinks Max Cleland is faking it, too.

Fish on...

Todd


As a Diabled Vet (20%'er - probably should be 30% but that would require going back to the VA & I won't), Max has my admiration, John Kerry is still a Silver Spoon in his mouth protesting College Puke who dishonored his service and mine. Speaking of Ball Polishing Todd, just how shinny have yah got Mistress Christine's Balls?????


Edited by JohnQ (10/19/11 01:27 PM)
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#711261 - 10/19/11 04:34 PM Re: Stolen Valor [Re: ]
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I find it curious that slabby has met JohnQ and John Kerry so he'd know who he prefers covering his back.

Either that or he's straight talking out his ass because he doesn't know a thing about either one of them, other than they both served during the Viet Nam conflict.
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#711264 - 10/19/11 04:56 PM Re: Stolen Valor [Re: Dan S.]
Todd Offline
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I don't need either of them covering my back...just like I don't need some right wing dumfuck telling me that Kerry didn't deserve his medals because Kerry and I tend to be left of center on our politics.

I'll bet shitforbrains thinks GW Bush was an exemplary soldier, too.

Fish on...

Todd
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#711478 - 10/20/11 01:30 PM Re: Stolen Valor [Re: ]
JohnQ Offline
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Originally Posted By: AuntyM
Quote:
John Kerry is still a Silver Spoon in his mouth protesting College Puke who dishonored his service and mine.


I won't argue the dishonor, but the medal thing? Not so much his doing. During Vietnam, top Navy brass wanted to see more Navy guys in action and getting medals. Kerry wasn't the only one who found himself the recipient of a medal for a little scratch.

Chalk it up to interservice rivalry. Admirals and Generals have nothing better to do sometimes than egg each other on and use servicemen and women as pawns.


To put a fine point on it, it wasn't about interservice rivalery, but rather glorifying Dumbass Ossifers. Remember the term "Fragging", that's how you "Cured" dumbass Ossifers from getting you killed needlessly. Most Ossifers in Nam couldn't pour Piss out of a combat boot with instructions written on the heel.
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#711545 - 10/20/11 06:13 PM Re: Stolen Valor [Re: ]
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I don't know if there were any shenanigans with medals/awards etc but....

Supposedly, American river patrol tactics were to cruise the delta in pairs (minimum) looking for suspicious vessels/activity and when fire was taken, beach the boat 100-200 yards from the point of contact. Then dismount and try to circle back on land to counterattack at the ambush site.
Often the enemy would be gone or repositioned to meet the counterattack.

If it's true that Kerry would take his boat and drive it right into the enemy fire at first contact, then yes, he had some balls.
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#711551 - 10/20/11 06:50 PM Re: Stolen Valor [Re: Direct-Drive]
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The thing that rankled the wingnuts on the right is that when Kerry retuned home from Southeast Asia he had the audacity to be a vocal and prominant critic of the Vietnam conflict. For these righties, who confuse nationalism and their own ideology with patroitism, dissent is the same as treason. And that's why they unleahed their smear merchants on him. Had Kerry remained silent regarding his views of the war there is no doubt whatsoever that we would have never heard of these accusations.
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