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#73150 - 04/01/06 12:32 PM Carp Lake
Stusmobile Offline
Egg

Registered: 04/01/06
Posts: 4
Loc: Spanaway
Does anybody have any information about Carp Lake near Lakewood ?

Is it fishable, is there any access either by boat or from the bank ?

I'm originally from the UK and carp fishing is massive back there. Now I am transplanted to the NW I want to try and find a local lake with carp in it .... and the name of this lake says it all.

Thanks for any info

Stu

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#73151 - 04/01/06 03:47 PM Re: Carp Lake
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Registered: 10/31/02
Posts: 1295
Loc: Monroe,WA.
I couldn't find any info on Carp Lake.

Lake Washington in King County has large carp.

You should be able to find them in the shallows around the lily pads at the Arboretum or Jaunita Bay.

Potholes Reservoir near Mose Lake in Grant County has huge carp. You can see them cruising the surface and jumping.

You might call WDF&W in Olympia and ask their warmwater biologist.

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#73152 - 04/02/06 04:11 PM Re: Carp Lake
Ichtyoid Offline
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Registered: 03/17/06
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Loc: Olympia
Quote:
Originally posted by Sebastes:
Potholes Reservoir near Mose Lake in Grant County has huge carp. You can see them cruising the surface and jumping.
That's what I was going to say. I tried to catch them but my bait/lures just bounced off thier faces. They didn't bite. If it wasnt the Resort's dock I would have pulled out a pistol & net and filled my trunk.
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#73153 - 04/02/06 09:32 PM Re: Carp Lake
Stusmobile Offline
Egg

Registered: 04/01/06
Posts: 4
Loc: Spanaway
I'd heard about Potholes, just never found the time to get over there yet.

If anyone wants any info on chasing carp ..... drop me a note, i'm happy to share tips and info .... most specifically how to take cruisers of the top for awesome sport.

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#73154 - 04/02/06 11:55 PM Re: Carp Lake
Knucklebustersonly Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/07/06
Posts: 2527
Loc: WA
Green Lake in seattle...I've seen some massive 25 lb's that some people have caught off the beach using like a flour dough or corn or some special carp doughballs...Whenever I walk around the lake at sunset there always seem to be a lot of people fishing for them during the summer....Hey stusmobile how exactly do you catch them? I would like to try it out sometime they get big in Green Lake, I would love to go try and spend an evening at the lake trying to get one of those carp which are huge!!!

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#73155 - 04/02/06 11:55 PM Re: Carp Lake
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River Nutrients

Registered: 03/07/06
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Loc: WA
Green Lake in seattle...I've seen some massive 25 lb's that some people have caught off the beach using like a flour dough or corn or some special carp doughballs...Whenever I walk around the lake at sunset there always seem to be a lot of people fishing for them during the summer....Hey stusmobile how exactly do you catch them? I would like to try it out sometime they get big in Green Lake, I would love to go try and spend an evening at the lake trying to get one of those carp which are huge!!!

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#73156 - 04/04/06 12:38 AM Re: Carp Lake
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Registered: 04/05/01
Posts: 1373
Loc: Redmond
Doughballs - just take a quarter piece of bread (white) and crush it around a 1 to 1/0 hook. Use a slip sink set up and cast it out. Tighten up your line and wait for the bite. Spent many hours of my youth catching carp. Twas great fun. I've heard that the cruisers can be caught with flies.
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#73157 - 04/04/06 12:39 AM Re: Carp Lake
Ichtyoid Offline
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Registered: 03/17/06
Posts: 930
Loc: Olympia
They just stocked Greenlake with Tiger Muskies to take care of the Carp problem.
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#73158 - 04/04/06 01:27 AM Re: Carp Lake
Knucklebustersonly Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/07/06
Posts: 2527
Loc: WA
They restocked the lake with Tiger Muskies? They originally did it in 2000, did they put more in?

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#73159 - 04/04/06 11:37 PM Re: Carp Lake
Stusmobile Offline
Egg

Registered: 04/01/06
Posts: 4
Loc: Spanaway
The big secret to catching carp ...... Don't put the bait on the hook!!!

Ok now that everyone is laughing let me refine and explain that idea. Carp feed by sucking in things that look tasty and edible but they also eject (by blowing) anything "wrong" out at high speed.

Over the years European carp anglers have discovered that the carp has an uncanny ability to eject a bait with a hook in it. To overcome this people came up with various ideas to seperate the bait from the hook, thus was born the "hair" rig. Human hair was glued to the bend of a hook and the bait threaded onto the hair. Todays hair rig comes in many different forms but for most North American fish a basic rig should suffice, they haven't been pressured to the extent of Euro carp.

The basic idea with this setup is that the carp sucks your bait in, dragging the hook into its mouth, as the fish feels the hook it will blow the bait back out. The hair being flexible will allow the bait to bend on the hair whilst the hook will stay in the lip area of the fish.

To tie one up take some fine line (1/2lb is ideal) and tie an overhand knot to form a small loop between 1 and 2 inches (this is trial and error and depends how hard the fish are feeding, shorter for shy fish, longer for confident fish).

Feed one ond of the loop back through itself and around the bend of your hook. Now you should have a hook with a loop hanging from the bend, tie your hook to your mainline as normal. Next you need to make a baiting needle, for this a straight piece of wire approx 4 inches long with a small nick in the end ( similar to the barb on a hook). Thread your chosen bait onto the bait needle, hook the nick in the needle onto your loop of line and feed your bait onto the loop. Next you need something to stop the bait falling off the loop, there are purpose made stops but a small piece of dry spaghetti works well.

There you go , one hair-rigged piece of bait ready for the carp.

Onto tackle, hook size is again personal, but for carp upto 40 pounds I tend to go with a size 6 or 8 (single not treble). One favourite line for carp is Maxima chameleon, snaggy waters about 16lb breaking strain, in clear water 12lb is good. Rods (poles)... I use 12ft rods for most of my carping, ranging in test curve from 2lb to 3 1/2lb .... how that equates to rod ratings here I don't know. A test curve is the weight at the tip ring required to pull the rod blank through 90 degrees. The length is mainly for casting distances as all English carp fishing is bank rather than boat based.

Bait can be a simple as bread or as complicated as custom made boillies. Here are a few tried and tested ones, sweetcorn (green giant is good, 3 or 4 grains on a hair). Spam (1/2 to 3/4 inch square on the hair) you can also spice this up with a coating of curry powder or by frying it first. Bread either as a dough ball or used as flake (tear a piece of the white stuff and just pinch a corner onto the hair). Worms (night crawlers to you guys, change this up by injecting the worm with air from a syringe, it'll stand up off the bottom).

One of my favourite ways of catching carp is by fishing on the surface with a freelined bait. Bread is good for waters with no birdlife to pester you. Throw some free offerings out and once you hear the suck and slurp of the carp feeding just use a hooked piece of bread. Flick it out where either the wind/current will take it over the carp or drop it in front of one of the feeding fish. If you want to surface fish on a water where birdlife stops you using bread then dog biscuits are awesome ..... hey quit laughing. Take 2 or 3 pedigree chum mixers and drill a small hole in the centre of them, thread them on the hair and use a small piece of spaghetti to stop them coming off. Drop them in the water at your feet for 30 seconds to get them wet and give you casting weight.

Hopefully some of you guys will take a shot at landing a few carp and find out just how much of a fight they can put up and if you see a guy wandering around, talking funny and waggling a long pole, it might be me wink

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#73160 - 04/05/06 02:46 AM Re: Carp Lake
Ichtyoid Offline
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Registered: 03/17/06
Posts: 930
Loc: Olympia
Sounds like a pain in the ass.

Ill let the Muskies eat them, then I'll eat the muskies.
wink
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#73161 - 04/05/06 10:12 PM Re: Carp Lake
Mike C Offline


Registered: 04/05/01
Posts: 1373
Loc: Redmond
Stusmobile,

That is one detailed post - thank you! May I use your post in the Tacklebox Corner section of the main page? No one has sent in such a detailed carp catching technique and I'd like to get it into the main page and archived. If you have any good "carp" pictures can you e-mail them to me (mike@washingtonlakes.com)

Thanks! (oh, if you agree I have some free gear for you so e-mail me your address as well).

Mike

PS, Ichtyoid, on one level I agree with you, but on another it doesn't seem any worse than trying to tie my own flies with these 47 year old eyes!
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#73162 - 04/05/06 11:20 PM Re: Carp Lake
Stusmobile Offline
Egg

Registered: 04/01/06
Posts: 4
Loc: Spanaway
Mike,

I'd be happy for you to use it however you want, its no secret and the more people chasing carp the better smile

I'll look for some pictures over the weekend, I know I have some from my favourite spot back in England. Another thing I will try and get to over the weekend is try and diagram/photograph some of my favourite rigs, tackle etc and send them over to you .... a picture is worth a thosand words or so they say (but who are They ...really).

As for being a pain, yes it is to learn, same as any new technique, but once mastered its simplicity itself. One hair should last for mutiple fish, putting the bait on is as simple as hooking it (really it is hooking it, just to a needle rather than a hook).

The biggest difference with bass fishing compared to carp fishing is that carp are generally not carnivorous. Where you can piss a bass off enough to make it hit your bait with the carp they will just disappear. They will on rare occasions take another fish, but their main food source is vegitation and snails.

If anybody has any questions feel free to fire them out, I'd be happy to try and answer smile

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#73163 - 04/05/06 11:43 PM Re: Carp Lake
Mike C Offline


Registered: 04/05/01
Posts: 1373
Loc: Redmond
Pictures and diagrams would make for a cool article. I'll watch for it in my mailbox.
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