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#745672 - 03/07/12 12:23 PM And here...
Todd Offline
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...are your consistent Fair & Balanced "news" reporters.

What a bunch of hypocritical lying sacks of air wasting garbage.



Fish on...

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#745715 - 03/07/12 03:02 PM Re: And here... [Re: Todd]
RowVsWade Offline
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What's your point?

Is your point that the left was wrong when they blamed Bush for high gas prices?

Or is your point that the left was right and gas was at a national average of $1.90 when obama took office and it is in fact partly the Presidents fault? Thereby Bill O was wrong.
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#745742 - 03/07/12 05:01 PM Re: And here... [Re: ]
Todd Offline
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No, my point is that those dumfucks are the same one saying that the President indeed is responsible for high gas prices (which, of course, was impossible when it was their douchebag in office)...and my other point is that those dumfucks are the ones you dumfucks like to parrot here.

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#745744 - 03/07/12 05:13 PM Re: And here... [Re: Todd]
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Oreilly's overall point on gas through the years has been that we have an oil cabal that screws the consumer and that message has been consistent lately as well. He has criticized the President for not articulating a clear plan for dealing with high gas prices, for not calling on the oil companies to do the right thing and help the economy by lowering prices while record profits are being realized. Agree with him or not, the message on gas has been pretty consistent.

As for fuel prices, you are going to pay no matter what you drive. If you drive a lesser efficient vehicle you will pay more. If you pony up and buy a more efficient vehicle you still will pay. You will pay the cost of the vehicle and the oil companies just raise the price of fuel so in the end even though you use less fuel you still pay more for it.

The problem will not go away and you will either adapt or walk. If you are waiting for the government to help out, bring lunch and a good book or two, its gonna be awhile.

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#745749 - 03/07/12 05:38 PM Re: And here... [Re: DBAppraiser]
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Good lord, now there you go ruining a perfectly good thread spewing forth unmitigated [Bleeeeep!]. Now you inject thoughts with pragmatic common sense! Oh how could you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! eek2
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#745759 - 03/07/12 06:00 PM Re: And here... [Re: Todd]
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Originally Posted By: Todd
and my other point is that those dumfucks are the ones you dumfucks like to parrot here.

Fish on...

Todd


That about sums it up!

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#745785 - 03/07/12 09:26 PM Re: And here... [Re: ]
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The beauty of the thread is that Tod bitches about Fox News and their on air personalities. His weapon of choice: Mediamatters. Well done Tod, Bravo!

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#745789 - 03/07/12 09:31 PM Re: And here... [Re: ]
RowVsWade Offline
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TFF. The liberal, loud mouth, sanctimonious phvckwads have a very short, selective memory.

Is it is or is it ain't the CIC's fault for the price of oil/gas prices. Any way they answer that question will show what two faced phvck sticks they are. Deceptive and utterly stupid would be a kind description when dealing with their vacuous mental assessments.
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#745914 - 03/08/12 12:47 PM Re: And here... [Re: RowVsWade]
Todd Offline
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I haven't said anything anywhere about the high price of gas, or its cause...just pointing out the hypocrisy from you RWWJ's role models...hypocrisy that you accept and practice well.

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#746087 - 03/09/12 01:02 AM Re: And here... [Re: Todd]
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Remember Drill, Drill, Drill? Remember, use your leases or lose them?
Remember tuneups and tire guages? Remember Bushs' oil buddies?
Remember the money (16k?) that BP donated to Obama?

Looks at the reasons that oil prices have gone up. Lots of reasons. Not all did Obama have anything to do with. Like the increase in consumption in China and India. But appropriating money to some company to drill off the coast of South America? Rumor...?

How about creating more debt in 3 years than Bush did in 8 and according to a few, more debt than every president before him....
Oh, wait, taking all the money from Warren Buffet (democrat) and Bill Gates (democrat) and the other rich folks, will pay down the debt. For how long? When do we run out of other peoples money?

Oil is bought in dollars and printing money creates inflation. Whats gold at? The cost of oil goes up. War? obviously has an effect in ME oil.
But Canada and Mexico are our biggest suppliers in a world market. World supply and world demand. Our reserves are 2% of the world? Reserves= govt petroleum reserves, not the supply of oil in the ground.

Then he and Chu, (Dept of Energy)who apparently does NOT own a car, try and say that increasing supply wont have an effect on the price of gas. But alternative energy, (like algea) will bring down the cost of gas. Some guy called Rush and told him he works with algea and oil would have to be 300 dollars a barrel, to make algea profitable.
Ya, Obama gets props for visiting a vehicle plant that makes natural gas vehicles. How long before those guys become your target for too much success?

http://mynorthwest.com/103/480124/Romney-Obama-in-part-to-blame-for-gas-prices

The bakken oil discoveries are on private land, or would we be drilling at all there?

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#746111 - 03/09/12 08:56 AM Re: And here... [Re: Fast and Furious]
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Originally Posted By: Lead Bouncer


The bakken oil discoveries are on private land, or would we be drilling at all there?


Very interesting (albeit dated) read on the Bakken discovery from that goddamn right wing US Geological Service.
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"3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels of Technically Recoverable Oil Assessed in North Dakota and Montana’s Bakken Formation—25 Times More Than 1995 Estimate"

Link
http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911



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#746115 - 03/09/12 09:39 AM Re: And here... [Re: Salmonella]
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Some of you should remember that Vaseline is a petroleum product.

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#747553 - 03/15/12 03:18 PM Re: And here... [Re: Illyrian]
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Media matters edited Bill's comments and left out the part where he dissed the repubs.
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#747631 - 03/15/12 07:05 PM Re: And here... [Re: Jerry Garcia]
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I think presidents always get too much blame and too much credit. I can’t see anything Obama can do to lower gas prices. Oil is an international commodity sold on the open market. If BP can get $5 a barrel more selling to Brazil than it can selling it to us they will. That's capitalism and the free market. There is NO estimate of U.S. known or even possible reserves that could significantly affect world prices. Ergo more drilling will not help. We might be able to become a lot more self sufficient if we can find more uses for natural gas, which is abundant.

Bottom line is Bush was only responsible for higher gas prices to the extent the unnecessary war raised supply worries. Obama is only responsible to the extent increasing tensions in Iran have cause worries about supplies. In fact domestic consumption has dropped significantly under Obama, which would matter, if oil was not an international commodity.

Gingrich saying he can lower gas to $2.50 a barrel is pure fantasy.
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#747691 - 03/15/12 09:13 PM Re: And here... [Re: Dave Vedder]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Vedder

I think presidents always get too much blame and too much credit. I can’t see anything Obama can do to lower gas prices. Oil is an international commodity sold on the open market. If BP can get $5 a barrel more selling to Brazil than it can selling it to us they will. That's capitalism and the free market. There is NO estimate of U.S. known or even possible reserves that could significantly affect world prices. Ergo more drilling will not help. We might be able to become a lot more self sufficient if we can find more uses for natural gas, which is abundant.

Bottom line is Bush was only responsible for higher gas prices to the extent the unnecessary war raised supply worries. Obama is only responsible to the extent increasing tensions in Iran have cause worries about supplies. In fact domestic consumption has dropped significantly under Obama, which would matter, if oil was not an international commodity.

Gingrich saying he can lower gas to $2.50 a barrel is pure fantasy.


As usual, your opinion does not mirror the facts. Did you blame Bush for the housing melt down? If BP is selling oil to Brazil for 5 bucks more, then other oil companies are getting the same price and we pay it whether we like it or not. Fact is, its sold to various refineries, if they dont have their own here. Just because you have not seen a US estimate of supply, does not mean one does not exist. Rumor is, that Obama wanted to eliminate the paperwork on the supply estimates of oil supply. Finally on that point reserves is the Strategic petroleum reserves, which apparently the WH cant make up it mind about pumping. When BO says we only have 2% that is the reserves, not whats in the ground. Reserves are in case of emergency, which does not exist today. It was created under Carter after the so called oil embargo. What ever amount of reserves is released will be replaced at todays cost and it will cost a lot. We have plenty of oil, but Obama wants you to take the bus or the train. He push the Solyndra deal thru and it was already estimated that it would fail. I dont give republican a pass on ethanol either, which should have been squashed under Reagan.

When oil hit 145 bucks a barrel, Bush signed an executive order for oil drilling and the price of crude began to drop. Obama has not allowed any new leases, and did not reopen the gulf, as he said he would. All the oil being produced is under bush permits. One report gave Bush credit for the Bp gulf well. The bakken shale is on private land and they run 24 hours a day. Gas prices have been this high before and they went down. BTW, when a politician says he cant do anything about gas prices, ask him what he means, cause they are usually not talking about crude prices. Drilling for crude produces natural gas from the same well. Natural gas prices in the US are not priced on the same market as NG prices in foreign countries.

Both side are guilty, when an unemployment report goes down, because a bunch of people stopped looking for work, or a bunch of jobs disappeared from the market place, you have to admit, we are being played. When they dont count rising prices in several categories of private purchasing, in order to decrease the COLA of social security payouts, its just another game. Neither side ever did much complaining about insider trading. They didnt do a thing about insider trading, until the book came out.

For the most part, this is all about the election. Abortion? No longer hot. Guns? not hot enough He and democrats want wedge issues. War on Women? failed. BTW I predict minimum wage will be revived again before the year is out. All you have to do is read the headlines on the whiner web pages like MSN and AOL.

Go ahead and attack my sources. I can dig up the video of Donald Trump handing F. Chuck Todd his [Bleeeeep!] on cable for misrepresenting Trumps words and actions. Its you guys on the left that hang on every word coming out of liberal media who admits they vote for democrats and like hanging with democrats. If dems got half the scrutiny that republicans get, we might actually get better results. How many questions did Obama get about Bill Ayers? Hannity admitted that Hillary Clintons people fed him information about Obama during the campaign, because they could not get the media to run it.

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#747695 - 03/15/12 09:22 PM Re: And here... [Re: Fast and Furious]
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Wow, maybe you could consider a name change to Rambling Rose. I admit I didn't read it all as its waaaaay to long and I have read other posts of yours.
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#747698 - 03/15/12 09:26 PM Re: And here... [Re: Dave Vedder]
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When you dont have an excuse, just close your eyes.


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