Last night in the duck hunting thread,you made it quite clear that if your 14 it's ILLEGAL to hunt by yourself. You'd better re-read the regs before you start posting them on this BB.

It is NOT illegal in this state to hunt without adult supervision at any age. If you take the required hunter-ed course and have a valid Wa. state hunting license,you can hunt by yourself.

It's funny that as often as you've made mention of ethics in your posts, you don't practice what you preach. Knowing the applicable game laws is part of ethics. Am I wrong?

I think you're wrong on this.. I took hunter ed a good...hmm.... 11 years ago, but I seem to remember that hunting without an adult was illegal. And I've organized more recently (in last several years) a youth hunt.... I do believe it's the law that if you're under 17 you must have an adult with you.

Obviously I know the laws as they apply to me, a 22 year old.. if things have changed or in some way slipped my mind (although I'm near perfect, some things do escape me) then I'm wrong. Make me unethical? No.. Just means I'm wrong!! Or are you never incorrect in anything you've ever write??

But alas, that has little to do with ethics. Ethics and law are not the same. It is legal to do a lot of things- like shoot pen raised pheasant- ethical? Not in my opinion. I make mention of ethics in my posts but try to always validate them with the fact they're MY ethics.. I don't claim to have the RIGHT way to do things, but I don't mind pointing out when I think things aren't kosher. If you don't challenge people's views, how can anyone hope to improve themselves?

If I come off as arrogent or otherwise having a big head.. I can and do... but most everything I say is meant half as a joke. Don't take me so seriously.



Enjoy.

So I guess the Game Warden that works the Manashtash Ridge area of E. Wa. isn't current on his game laws. I asked him this same question while elk hunting this past Fall.

You really don't think game laws and ethics go hand in hand? When I took hunters-ed in 1984 at the age of 9,it seems the instructors drilled this into us pretty heavily.

As far as having a big head....I won't hold that against you. I also have to adjust the band on my hat on occasion. :p

Trusting a warden on the manashtash?? Ahh come on now.. there's where you went wrong!! Seriously, if I have the time after I research for my senior assessment paper, I'll look that up.

I think law and ethics are two seperate issues. The law is imposed upon you, ethics come from within you- with influences from culture, family and friends. Ethics are what you do when you don't have to do it, but because it's the right thing to do.

You obey the law because it is the law, you follow your conscience as far as your character and will can hold up. I'm imperfect, but I sure as hell try to better myself, portray my sport as ethical through my actions, and over all.....Enjoy myself. I have had a few occassions were I regret decisions I've made because they were dangerous, reflecked poorly on the sport, or I otherwise didn't live up to my own expectations. I take ethics extremely seriously..... but I try to be the one to say it's my OPINION talking when I spout off about ethics... I don't want a universal standard for behavior... I just want people to think about what they're doing.

Anyway.. that's enough of that for the day. Who brought the Black Butte?

I e-mailed the enforcement office tonight. I asked them to look up this question,I'll post what they say when they respond.

Hey, just why the hell did that thread get locked up? there wasn't nothing that bad going on!

I had no problem with it, but I think it was getting a little too hot for some!

Guess some of us just aren't getting any.

i'm happy as a clam....no threads are getting to hot for me...something do with a girl that is all that and a bag of chips!

Great, now that the greater hunting season is done with, CWU is getting all philosophical.

Bob, just lock up her name till next season, wont ya please?

Curtis

HBP, you're being a little harsh on her, brother, she may not know the law to the letter but she did'nt violate it either

First of all, thank you.... Geez, I get 1 and 1/2 hours of sleep due to someone who shall remain nameless and I get all this abuse!

But.. I can't find an RCW due to WA's vast mess of a search engine.... I did find, however, that all the special youth hunts offered every year state that youth under 15 must be accompanied by a non-hunting adult.

That's all the research I'm doing tonight.. better than thinking about third parties influence on elections and the american political philosophy which predetermines the exclusion of such parties.. Yeah, I chose an interesting senior assessment paper topic..

Skydriftin,
You don't think her posts are sometimes a little harsh? My point is that, if you're gonna bust somebody's balls about being legal,you should at least know the law and how it reads.

CWUgirl, Do a Google search for RCW 77. You'll find all you want to know about game laws.

I just received the reply from the Olympia office. It reads,that there is no specified age for hunting in Wa. A valid license and tag is all that's required.

Back up off of it!! Hey, I don't make threads like some people to specifically be nasty to an individual. But that's just me. Notice there's no HBP thread.... Anyhoo...

"hunting"- does that mean hunting ALONE or just hunting... Obviously if you can pass the hunter ed test, you can hunt at any age. The question was, can kids hunt alone. Why is it ALL youth hunts in way require an adult present, then? Doesn't make any sense. But then again, this is WA.

Back to busting balls now.

Ok guys... let's keep things from getting personal. Some of this is getting close to "piling on" in football.

Me, I like CWUgirls posts and find them interesting and entertaining. Board's need someone like this, otherwise you end up with a board where someone posts one day...and someone else posts the next day... and it's so boring it's like watching paint dry.

I'm guilty of this like everybody else is. I had a "thing" last year with one guy on the WAlakes board over a thing on flyfishers v. powerbaiters. In retrospect I shouldn't have done that... but in the heat of the moment(s)... well you know what I mean.

Make a new years resolution to not do this. Keep the posts coming, keep the subjects interesting... maybe even negative... but don't get personal.

Also, not understanding some of the game laws isn't an ethics problem. I'm not up on the requirements for muzzle loader hunting as I don't do that. Might be the same for someone who's not 14 too. Back when I was 14, I sure knew when I could switch from hunting with a parent or guardian to any adult over 21....and then when I could legally hunt by myself (different state), but now, beats me what WA state law reads on that.

thanks all,

O.K. Zen,
Nothin' but nice from now on.

CWUgirl,
I appoligize if you feel like it was a personal attack. It wasn't my intent to hurt anybody's feelings.

CWU,, check your PM's

Zen/BillW are you that Otto guy on the other board?

I'm not Otto. I'm on that board too. One I meant was the WAlakes tied to this one that Mike monitors.

I have known people that raise pheasant in them pens your talking about so you people can go shoot them up. bulletin! news flash! pheasant are not native to washington state. Chances are you are shooting pheasants that were raised in a pen. wdfw pays people to raise pheasant so they can release them in hunting areas.

As far as personal attacks go this board has alot of people name calling and subject changing when the going gets tough.

Assalyanizm is a good person,and ethical he doesnt shoot ducks that are on the water but he enjoys the challenge of calling ducks to land in his decoys. He only shoots them in the air. So what if he doesnt spell that great or write fluently, neither did Albert Einstien

BBVD,
Some people would call leaving your decs out overnite unethical. Do you know why you cant leave them out overnite on public lands?




The scout lake scout rd scout........

This post was funny but I was once 14 and nobody In my family fished or hunted. Its possible that the kid honestly had absoulutly no knowledge of where to start. Good advise yes, proper format no, do I think some people are a little sensitive yes. Dont swear in church, and dont be a smart ^$$ to a 14 year old newbie bust him in easy. The more people we have in the outdoor sports the better chance we have of continuing what we all love to do.

It's actually fairly obvious were the WDFW plants those birds- on state land (occassionally) and on RELEASE SITES... I don't hunt release sites, but do hunt public lands. Pen raised birds also come with a odd little addition (along with 80% lacking much of a tail) that wild birds never have- a leg band.

I hunt WILD birds. Chukar and huns aren't native either, but they do have WILD populations. I prefer the birds I shoot to have a sporting chance and provide a challenge to my skills. Sorry, I don't find planted or released birds to be a challenge! Canned hunts are by far my biggest concern- not because I feel for the birds- but because they are a black eye on sportsmen. Other than for dog training and perhaps for those who are physically uncapable to do anything else, I really don't see how one can justify stuffing a pheasant tight in to a clump of sage brush so I can then walk up, KICK IT OUT, and shoot it..

I never talked down to Assalyism. Argued, absolutely. But I never got personal. I don't agree with how he hunts ducks- a duck jumping off the water moves a heck of a lot slower than one flying in to decks as well as they then lack much of the range of movement when they jump. I don't like it and would never make it a practice...But he's obviously fine with it and has a good time, I'm sure... I don't think he's less of a person because he dissagrees with me.. He's perfectly within the law and his own conscience. And that's what counts.

If push came to shove, I'd support his right to shoot ducks as he wishes than to ban it to go along with my ethical viewpoint.