Germans Killed 6 million Jews and another 14 million in WWII

Japan killed 6 million from 1937 to the end of the war

Turkey Killed 2 million Armenians

Stalin killed 20 million.

Vietnam War killed 3.8 million Vietnamese

Abortionists killed 40 million

Mexico killed 1.5 million people at the turn of the century

China has killed so 40 Million since the turn of the century

Man has never needed much of a reason to kill.

Too many people by what standard ? not natures. Once there are too many people and nature does its thing something else will swoop in to utilize the resources.

Why would atheist or the science is god crowd care anyhow? it's all nature running its course via natural selection. As defined it is perfectly natural

I think most of the stink is being stirred up by leaders in countries who benefit from the distraction away from what is really going on at home. It also has a lot to do with who profits from such hatred from each side. For the Muslim nations its corrupt governments and for the US its a corrupt govt. Its easy for the new and estabilhed govts in the Middle East to point the finger a the evil US as the casue of all their problems. Their uneducated people suck it up. It is just as easy in the US to point the finger at the evil and Ignorant Islamic people and the uneducated here suck it up. You see we have a lot in common with the ME we just did not know it.

Someone is loading up the cash from this in both cases. I think the body bag business would be a great investment right now.

Not just body bags...but the tools of the trade used to put people in the bags, too.

Fish on...

Todd

Granny used to say,"God protect us from the things done in the
nameof God."

Wow! King Troll making mutiple agreeable statements in one thread here on the dark side. Next thing you know a viable third party candidate will show up . . .

Mr. Entitlement speaks out. You are on the taxpayers
payroll aren't you Salmo? GS? and all the goodies that go with it.
BTW 'tis ironic you calling anyone a troll.

And why is it Mr. IQ 148 speaks from ignorance?

How is working for a public agency an entitlement? I suppose you think people who work for private companies with government contracts are also entitlement employees?

Non GS. The goodies that used to go with it went away by Reagan in 1984. You were paying attention, right? All feds who joined after that date are on the same Social Security plan as the private sector. And instead of a 401, we have the fed thrift savings plan, which has a small fraction of the options of most 401s.

There, that ought to boost your massive IQ another point, downgraded for not knowing the definition of an internet troll.

Come on, Sg...don't let facts get in the way of Illy's fantasies.

Fish on...

Todd

It's all Bush's fault. Just ask the three mucketeers. Ranty, odd and Salmo.
Oh, Dan S, inconsequential.

"You're a brainless twit too. Congrats?"

I noticed the ' too.' You got the last word of the sentence correct.

Athos er I mean Ranty.

"Bush bears the blame for wasting trillions on wars that did nothing for anyone but killed hundreds of thousands."

You would have paid much more if he did nothing and let radical islam run rampant over the friendlies in the ME. Why do you think Obama doubled down on the program? We may see what would happen if Iran gets hit by Isreal. Think of everything in your life touched by oil and what happens if the oil markets are destabilized.

Yeah, 'cuz radical Islam was running rampant across our friendlies in Iraq.

Oh, wait...we didn't have friendlies in Iraq, and radical Islam didn't, either.

Fish on...

Todd

Attacking Iraq was a gross misuse of the American military.
If that did not happen, Iraq could well have been part of the Arab Spring rebellion.
Not to speak of the many American lives saved.

I do however endorse kicking ass on Al Qaeda and their Taliban protectors.
That's where Barry ramped up, especially with the Predator vaporization of many bad guys.
Many more than W.

Al queda has never been much of a problem for the US and of great benefit as the boogie man. Nothing strikes fear into ma and pa bumpkin like the thought of Al Queda coming to chop off their head. Iraq was all about eliminating a threat to friendlies in the ME. It and Afghanistan have allowed us operational advantages against Iran and other bad actors who could disrupt the status quo and flow of oil and the economies of the world. SA and others figured out to stop the Arab spring They paid their people large sums of cash to pacify them.

i always laugh when people say Bush's fault this, Bush did that, lol... seriously...

if Bush didnt go after Saddam, and Osama, THEY WOULD STILL BE ALIVE, Obama didnt do sh!t but use troops already in place by BUSH, to accomplish what Bush started...

war is war, and people die, that isnt Bush's fault either, everyone and their brother knows the outcome of war... or they should atleast.. war also costs money, bullets arent made of air, and gas isnt water...

Bush did what he had to do, Obama used Bush's plan after it was initiated to accomplish what he was trying to do.. and is now taking the credit for it...

Obama didnt kill or have any part in the killing of Osama, he found out where he was staying, and gave the order, to the troops that Bush had in the region in the first place...

Bush took the 9/11 attacks as a slap in the face, and he punched back, hard... with the exception of Sr. most presidents in the last 20 would have just curled up in a ball and cried like a bitch...

support or oppose the wars, your choice, but dont disrespect the soldiers that are there doing their jobs... some of the things people say in coversations like this, you would be suprised how it makes troops that put their lives on the line for your a$$ feel...

i met a guy at the river a few days ago... a Army MP Sniper... he was hit by an IED in Afghanistan, and is now retired, he was hit at 28 years old, and is screwed for the rest of his life... we had a long conversation about this stuff, and he never once blamed Bush, coincidentally, he never blamed Obama either, but knows this country is going to sh!t anyways... its far greater than just 1 person, but they do have to accept the blame as they are the "President"...

i dare anyone that says that this didnt need to be done, to go 1 year without the aid of oil... that means no cars, no lawn mowers, it basically means NOTHING at all, it means go up and live in the woods with what you have now, nothing else... because everything shipped here, uses oil, farmers use oil in their equipment to harvest and proccess foods, so you cant even buy local food, you have to live off the land for the next year...

any takers?



















i didnt think so....

It must be a strange place.........your planet.





JFC

+ 1

Fish on...

Todd

Okay, but you all realize that pretty much in ALL OF RECORDED HISTORY there has never been a time with as little warfare and violence as there is now? A huge part of the problem is we live in a time and place where something tragic, but ultimately SMALL on the grand scale of the planet, causes us all to lose our shiite (intended)...

So much of our mindset is driven (and manipulated) by FEAR, when in fact there is much less to fear these days than there was 50, 150 or 1500 years ago... We live significantly longer lives, wars and violence affect smaller segments of our population, yet we feel less safe because we allow ourselves to get worked up about what 2 wackos did last weekend in some dark corner of the world.

On another topic of this thread, pretty much *EVERY* ecosystem that is thriving (which humans *clearly* are) has uncontrolled population growth (which we are) until it depletes it's food/resource supply, which causes the population to crash to a small fraction of the maximum. Sure seems like that's a believable trajectory for humanity -- albeit over a long time-scale.

The recent attack Labia is a great example. The admin is still claiming it was Al Qaeda. The labians are claiming it was Quaddaffi loyalist punishing the US for interfearing in their country. Why would the admin claim it was AQ ? The boogie man factor pure and simple nothing motivates American idiots like good old fashioned fear. Research AQ and you will find that they are a disparate group of independent actors not some well oiled and financed machine. Bin Laden was holed up in Pakistan with out funding for the past 10 years.