#78984 - 04/23/06 07:44 PM
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 12/22/05
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Last time I checked there wasn't any legal bear hunting going on rite now in that part of the state (Kapowsin, Capitol forest, and SE WA are the only areas open, and only to permit) so have you heard if these guys were poaching or what?
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#78987 - 04/24/06 09:33 AM
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Returning Adult
Registered: 03/12/01
Posts: 434
Loc: Puyallup, WA
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It's amazing how quick people are on here to condemn people.
Injured Hunter Had Been Chasing Bear On Private Timberland
April 23, 2006 By KOMO Staff & News Services
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FORKS, WASH. - A man injured by a black bear had been chasing the animal on private timberland when the bear turned the tables on its pursuers, the investigating officer said Sunday.
Bear season doesn't open until later in the year, but the man was hunting the animal under a special permit issued by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to Rainier Timber, which owns the land where the hunt was proceeding Saturday, about 6 miles east of the Olympic National Park boundary.
It appeared the hunters had been pursuing the bear for some time, said Fish and Wildlife Officer Brian Fairbanks.
"It's like, you have the fight-or-flight response. It ran for so long, and then decided, 'We're not going to run any more,"' Fairbanks said.
At that point, the hunter and the bear were in heavy brush, the officer said. "He didn't realize the bear was there, and when he got close enough the bear jumped out and grabbed him."
It was not a surprise attack, he said. "They knew it was there - they'd been chasing it. ... The guy got bit but he was the one who put himself in position to get bit."
A second hunter shot and killed the bear before summoning help.
The injured man underwent surgery Sunday on a broken arm, Fairbanks said.
"The bear had grabbed his arm and dragged him down an embankment," he said. "It required some surgery to put him together."
The man, whose name was not released, also suffered a broken wrist and two bite wounds on the upper thigh.
It was a legal hunt, Fairbanks said, with no violation of conditions of the permit.
Fairbanks is based in Forks, an Olympic Peninsula community on the southwest edge of Olympic National Park.
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#78988 - 04/24/06 05:03 PM
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Registered: 01/13/03
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Loc: Port Orchard
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just so you all know, there is a privat land managment hunts in washington for the tree farms. they get to use dogs and can Bait. the hunter or hunters DO NOT get to keep the bears they kill. They come to a ficility or taxidermist who wins a bid for the disposal, taning and cleaning of hides and skulls. to be auctioned off at state sales, thies animals can never be resold for proffit and the hunting is buy special dog owners and controled by F&G. not just any one can do it.its sad really they kill an averag of 100 - 200 bears a year. Jim W
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#78990 - 04/25/06 12:02 AM
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 03/25/03
Posts: 116
Loc: Rochester, Washington
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Timber companies have always paid guys with hounds to kill bears. It happens all over western Washington. The state (DNR) isn't allowed to hire hunters to kill bears, so that's why they have the special spring season in Capitol Forest.
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#78991 - 04/26/06 03:19 AM
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Spawner
Registered: 03/17/06
Posts: 930
Loc: Olympia
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F' him.
Anyone dumb enough to chase a bear gets what he deserves.
Its just too bad the bear got the worst of it.
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#78992 - 04/26/06 10:05 AM
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 03/25/03
Posts: 116
Loc: Rochester, Washington
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Originally posted by Ichtyoid: F' him.
Anyone dumb enough to chase a bear gets what he deserves.
Its just too bad the bear got the worst of it. Huh? Please tell me it's not true...an anti-hunter on this board??? 
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#78993 - 04/26/06 01:49 PM
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Spawner
Registered: 03/17/06
Posts: 930
Loc: Olympia
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Im not an anti hunter. I hunt grouse, pheasant & quail.
But the fact remains: Anyone dumb enough to try and chase a bear into a thicket gets what he earns.
Its as dumb as poking a yellowjacket nest with a stick.
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#78994 - 04/26/06 02:07 PM
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 03/25/03
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Loc: Rochester, Washington
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I don't care how dumb you think it is...your statement that "it's just too bad the bear got the worst of it," is something a member of PETA would say. From that statement I take it that you would rather the hunter had died instead of the bear. That's pretty bad, one hunter wanting another hunter to be killed by a bear. Do you know exactly what happened on that hunt? The hunter was not "chasing" the bear. The dogs were doing the chasing. That's how bears are hunted. Here is a more recent article that tells a little more of how it happened: Bear hunter recalls moment when prey became predator By Craig Welch
Seattle Times staff reporter
Anton Cebe was following the hunting dogs through thick alder and fir trees when he heard a commotion and a shout — more of a growling yelp than a scream.
Seconds later, he saw the bear and fired. The animal dropped.
"I knew something had happened," said Cebe, 24, of Cle Elum, Kittitas County. "I just didn't know what."
Cebe and three other hunters had spent Saturday on private land just outside Olympic National Park, trying to track a hungry black bear that had been stripping bark from valuable Douglas fir trees to reach the sugary sap on the trunk.
Now it was almost dusk. The bear was dead, and Cebe was racing back, shouting to his partner, Dave Johnson.
"I called to Dave and he just said, 'It got me, it got me,' " Cebe said. "When I finally reached him, I could tell it wasn't that bad. There wasn't much blood. But it was startling. What do you do when your friend has bite marks on him? It was weird, man."
The precise circumstances of the mauling Saturday evening by a 300-pound black bear were still unclear Monday. Johnson, who suffered a broken arm and wrist and bite wounds on his leg, was the only witness, and he remained hospitalized at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle.
But authorities and fellow hunters suspect the hunting dogs just drove the bear back through dense brush toward Johnson, catching both man and bear by surprise.
"I think they kind of spooked each other," Cebe said. "I don't know if Dave tried to run or maneuver or just didn't have the opportunity. Nine times out of 10, if you see a bear, and he sees you, he's gonna go the other way. But the dogs were behind him [the bear]."
Cebe, Johnson and two others, all experienced hunters, had been hired by Rayonier Timber under a special animal-control permit to track and shoot a bear that had been damaging the company's trees.
"What usually happens is the bear quickly gets tired and climbs up a tree, and the hunter shoots it," said Georg Ziegltrum, supervisor of animal damage-control for the Washington Forest Protection Association, a timber group. "The hunters' bad luck was they encountered a fat 300-pound bear who didn't feel like climbing."
The hunters tracked the bear until about 8 p.m., with Cebe and Johnson following the dogs down logging roads in one truck, and hunter Ken Hester and his partner in another. As dark approached, Cebe set out on foot with his gun over a hill to end the chase.
Johnson stayed not far from the truck near an overgrown logging road, holding a radio but no gun.
Cebe heard rustling and Johnson's screech, but the bear already had attacked before Cebe saw and shot it. By the time Cebe reached his wounded friend, Johnson had radioed Hester for help.
"We had no idea how bad it was," said Hester, who was a quarter-mile away. "We just knew we had to get to him. He just said, 'Get me to the hospital. Get me to the hospital.' "
They helped Johnson walk to the truck and raced down the logging road toward help.
"I was trying to go fast, but I remember he kept saying, 'Don't hit the bumps, don't hit the bumps,' " Cebe said.
The men seemed shaken but not surprised by their ordeal. Johnson was groggy but recovering, they said.
"There was never a lot of fear, just respect," Hester said. "When you're hunting big game, you know there can be danger."
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#78995 - 04/26/06 07:05 PM
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 03/17/05
Posts: 1765
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Ichtyoid;
C'mon man, you can do better than that....
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#78996 - 04/26/06 07:06 PM
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 03/17/05
Posts: 1765
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I don't think any of us would want a journalist to publish their version of anything we do, let alone one of our accidents !
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#78997 - 04/27/06 02:20 AM
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 06/18/03
Posts: 1041
Loc: north sound
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Originally posted by Aix sponsa: They come to a ficility or taxidermist who wins a bid for the disposal, taning and cleaning of hides and skulls. to be auctioned off at state sales, I'm not totally clear on that. Are you saying these bears are SOLD? If so, then whoever is getting the money for these, whether it's the state, timber company, or hired hunter, seems to be above the law.
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#78998 - 04/27/06 02:42 AM
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Registered: 01/13/03
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Originally posted by cupo: Originally posted by Aix sponsa: [b] They come to a ficility or taxidermist who wins a bid for the disposal, taning and cleaning of hides and skulls. to be auctioned off at state sales, I'm not totally clear on that. Are you saying these bears are SOLD? If so, then whoever is getting the money for these, whether it's the state, timber company, or hired hunter, seems to be above the law. [/b]YEP your the only one that has seen it. so were dose one startto stop it?
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#78999 - 04/27/06 09:50 AM
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 03/25/03
Posts: 116
Loc: Rochester, Washington
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Originally posted by cupo: Originally posted by Aix sponsa: [b] They come to a ficility or taxidermist who wins a bid for the disposal, taning and cleaning of hides and skulls. to be auctioned off at state sales, I'm not totally clear on that. Are you saying these bears are SOLD? If so, then whoever is getting the money for these, whether it's the state, timber company, or hired hunter, seems to be above the law. [/b]I'm not so sure about that. I talked to a guy hunting bears with hounds in Capitol Forest last year, and he told me when they kill a bear, they are not allowed to remove it from the woods. I suppose for anybody who is really worried about what actually happens to the bear, you could call the WDFW and ask. Personally, I really don't care what they do with it. I would prefer that they at least be required to make use of the meat.
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#79000 - 04/27/06 12:04 PM
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Registered: 01/13/03
Posts: 405
Loc: Port Orchard
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I have the paper work to prove it. Your buddy should tell you the truth next time
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#79001 - 04/27/06 12:35 PM
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 03/25/03
Posts: 116
Loc: Rochester, Washington
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He wasn't my "buddy." Like I said, just a guy I ran into in the Capitol Forest, last year when I was hunting bears with the special permit I drew. I wasn't very happy to see hound hunters up there chasing the same bears I was hunting. But that's what he told me, that they kill the bear and have to leave it, not sure why he would lie. It seemed odd to me at the time that the law required them to leave the bear in the woods. BTW, the only reason they were up in Capitol Forest is they (supposedly) had started chasing the bear on private land, where the landowner had a serious problem with tree damage.
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#79002 - 04/29/06 06:02 PM
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Eyed Egg
Registered: 02/08/03
Posts: 9
Loc: Rochester, Washington
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Huh? Please tell me it's not true...an anti-hunter on this board??? Ichy is also a sealion hugger. 
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