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#800222 - 11/14/12 04:08 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: Todd]
Illahee Offline
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Todd, another question that needs asking is, why do so many low to middle income voters, vote against their own economic best interests?
The answer to both questions is propaganda.

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#800225 - 11/14/12 04:16 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: ]
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Interesting read by George Will HERE

Since 1948, male labor force participation has plummeted from 89 percent to 73 percent. Today, 27 percent of adult men do not consider themselves part of the workforce: "A large part of the jobs problem for American men today is not wanting one."

One reason work now is neither a duty nor a necessity is the gaming — defrauding, really — of disability entitlements. In 1960, an average of 455,000 workers were receiving disability payments; in 2011, 8.6 million were — more than four times the number of people receiving basic welfare benefits under Temporary Assistance for Needy Families. Nearly half of the 8.6 million were "disabled" because of "mood disorders" or ailments of the "musculoskeletal system and the connective tissue." It is, says Eberstadt, essentially impossible to disprove a person's claim to be suffering from sad feelings or back pain.
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#800228 - 11/14/12 04:22 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: ]
Todd Offline
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
79 percent of white evangelicals voted for Romney on Tuesday. That's the same percentage that Bush received in 2004, and more than Senator John McCain received in 2008. The evangelical vote was 27 percent of the overall electorate -- the highest it's ever been for an election.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...olitics/265139/


I think it's not so much that the evangelicals who voted wouldn't vote for Romney, but that the overall amount of evangelicals would be lower, reducing the overall evangelical vote while not changing the percentage of voters supporting the Republican candidate.

Fish on...

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#800230 - 11/14/12 04:38 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: ]
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Not agreeing with the statement, just trying to explain it...I'm aware of the voting demographics...didn't even need a conspiracy to come up with it wink

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#800235 - 11/14/12 05:21 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: NOFISH]
Illyrian Offline
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Registered: 12/20/09
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+1


Why do all those jobs go offshore? Does the American labor force
have a productivity or quality of product problem?

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#800239 - 11/14/12 05:38 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: NOFISH]
Jerry Garcia Offline



Registered: 10/13/00
Posts: 9013
Loc: everett
Originally Posted By: NOFISH
Interesting read by George Will HERE

Since 1948, male labor force participation has plummeted from 89 percent to 73 percent. Today, 27 percent of adult men do not consider themselves part of the workforce: "A large part of the jobs problem for American men today is not wanting one."

One reason work now is neither a duty nor a necessity is the gaming — defrauding, really — of disability entitlements. In 1960, an average of 455,000 workers were receiving disability payments; in 2011, 8.6 million were — more than four times the number of people receiving basic welfare benefits under Temporary Assistance for Needy Families. Nearly half of the 8.6 million were "disabled" because of "mood disorders" or ailments of the "musculoskeletal system and the connective tissue." It is, says Eberstadt, essentially impossible to disprove a person's claim to be suffering from sad feelings or back pain.





I'm sure that with the knees repaired and the physical labor I'm doing now that if I was a freeloader I could easily get disability .
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#800241 - 11/14/12 05:46 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: ]
Illahee Offline
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Originally Posted By: 2MANY

More Republicans would have gotten out to vote during the last 4 years but most of them were too afraid of being rear ended by some dope smokin Democrat.
It's a shame when the issues are so far gone that some choose to stay at home.



If a person is of the same opinion as you, staying home would be the best for all concerned.
Thanks for showing why many feel there should be a competency test attached to voting privileges.
That way you and the rest of the stupid patrol wouldn't be allowed to vote.

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#800243 - 11/14/12 06:00 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: Illahee]
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Originally Posted By: Illahee
Originally Posted By: 2MANY

More Republicans would have gotten out to vote during the last 4 years but most of them were too afraid of being rear ended by some dope smokin Democrat.
It's a shame when the issues are so far gone that some choose to stay at home.



If a person is of the same opinion as you, staying home would be the best for all concerned.
Thanks for showing why many feel there should be a competency test attached to voting privileges.
That way you and the rest of the stupid patrol wouldn't be allowed to vote.


Be careful what you wish for as you might not make the cut.
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#800245 - 11/14/12 06:05 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: Illahee]
AP a.k.a. Kaiser D Offline
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That was a surprisingly good read, Hank. Especially from you. wink

Interesting, and surprising to me, to see they still got their numbers despite what I have to think is a less than "gung ho" feeling towards Mitt.

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#800246 - 11/14/12 06:06 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: Dave Vedder]
big moby Offline
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+1 as well.
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#800247 - 11/14/12 06:09 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: big moby]
Todd Offline
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Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
White old men and the religious right are not the GOP's problem.

Fish on...

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#800249 - 11/14/12 06:15 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: docspud]
Illahee Offline
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Posts: 3771
Originally Posted By: docspud
Originally Posted By: Illahee
Originally Posted By: 2MANY

More Republicans would have gotten out to vote during the last 4 years but most of them were too afraid of being rear ended by some dope smokin Democrat.
It's a shame when the issues are so far gone that some choose to stay at home.



If a person is of the same opinion as you, staying home would be the best for all concerned.
Thanks for showing why many feel there should be a competency test attached to voting privileges.
That way you and the rest of the stupid patrol wouldn't be allowed to vote.


Be careful what you wish for as you might not make the cut.



Be that as it may, I never vote against my economic well being.

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#800251 - 11/14/12 06:23 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: ]
Illahee Offline
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Posts: 3771
I read you "Not 2Many Braincells"

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#800252 - 11/14/12 06:56 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: Illahee]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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That is an interesting article, Pat.

We should treat fraud as the outrage that it is and start executing people who rip off the system by claiming an ailment they don't have, by fraudulently billing Medicare/Medicaid, or whatever other f'n scam these bastards are pulling.

These systems are necessary, and should be used to help those that need help, not some scamming SOB just looking to be lazy. I find this type of behavior so low and outrageous to be akin to treason, and the perpetrators should be hung or shot.

I'm a liberal, or so I've been told, and I get up every day and go to work, and while I'm there, no mofo works harder than I do. My company gets every cent worth out of me. Ask them - they'll tell you. I don't look for ways to dodge taxes like a weasel or cheat on my taxes, I pay my bills on time, and I keep to myself most of the time. So this whole notion that conservatives are somehow superior when it comes to work and productivity, while liberals just look for handouts is laughable. Watch me at work and you'll see what I mean. (I'm not speaking to anyone in particular here). I see those who call themselves conservatives coasting all the time, and I see those who call themselves liberals busting ass - it's just a matter of work ethic that determines which camp you fall into, not what party you vote for.

There are producers and there are drags on society, and neither political party has a monopoly on either group. If someone is a producer, they're OK by me, no matter what their political affiliation. If they're a drag on society (intentionally), they should get a dirt nap. If those in need require help, we should give it to them. But the end game should be to get them NOT needing help any longer, not making a dependant out of them. Our government has not been very successful at managing this task.

In case you were wondering - I'm not at work right now, so don't bust my hump for coasting on company time. smile I'm heading to Austin, TX tomorrow to catch the Formula One race at the brand new Circuit of the Americas race track.



Interesting debate going on here - I'll check up on it when I get back from Texas next week.

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#800259 - 11/14/12 07:13 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: Dan S.]
Illyrian Offline
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Registered: 12/20/09
Posts: 1475
Loc: Spokane, wa
"Be that as it may, I never vote against my economic well being."
Not even for the good of the country?
Lotta guys in uniforms that are voting against their economic well-being,
and personal security.
"For God and Country. The American Legion's motto.
I personally would take a hit with the Social Security stipent being
cut IF it will make the USA solvent in some future scenario.
I will survive. I survived the 30's thanks to my family. I will survive
the current decade too. Inshallah.

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#800272 - 11/14/12 08:31 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: Illyrian]
Illahee Offline
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Registered: 05/22/05
Posts: 3771
Retired military, never voted against my own economic best interests.
So lick my honorable discharge.

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#800276 - 11/14/12 08:57 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: ]
Illahee Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 05/22/05
Posts: 3771
Originally Posted By: Hankster
Originally Posted By: Illahee
Retired military, never voted against my own economic best interests.
So lick my honorable discharge.

Got any Good Conduct Medal stories ya want to tell us about?

I got one of those and just between you and me and the lampost, it was Great Conduct. wink


I've got a good conduct medal, in fact I've got a Vietnam Service Medal with two oak leaf clusters.
So you won't mistake me for any of the chicken hawks you might support.

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#800282 - 11/14/12 09:49 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: ]
Illahee Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 05/22/05
Posts: 3771
Originally Posted By: Hankster
Illahee,
I forgot to say thanks for serving. thumbs



It was my pleasure.

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#800299 - 11/14/12 11:12 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: Dan S.]
Somethingsmellsf Offline
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Registered: 12/15/02
Posts: 4000
Loc: Ahhhhh, damn dog!
Originally Posted By: Dan S.
That is an interesting article, Pat.

We should treat fraud as the outrage that it is and start executing people who rip off the system by claiming an ailment they don't have, by fraudulently billing Medicare/Medicaid, or whatever other f'n scam these bastards are pulling.

These systems are necessary, and should be used to help those that need help, not some scamming SOB just looking to be lazy. I find this type of behavior so low and outrageous to be akin to treason, and the perpetrators should be hung or shot.

I'm a liberal, or so I've been told, and I get up every day and go to work, and while I'm there, no mofo works harder than I do. My company gets every cent worth out of me. Ask them - they'll tell you. I don't look for ways to dodge taxes like a weasel or cheat on my taxes, I pay my bills on time, and I keep to myself most of the time. So this whole notion that conservatives are somehow superior when it comes to work and productivity, while liberals just look for handouts is laughable. Watch me at work and you'll see what I mean. (I'm not speaking to anyone in particular here). I see those who call themselves conservatives coasting all the time, and I see those who call themselves liberals busting ass - it's just a matter of work ethic that determines which camp you fall into, not what party you vote for.

There are producers and there are drags on society, and neither political party has a monopoly on either group. If someone is a producer, they're OK by me, no matter what their political affiliation. If they're a drag on society (intentionally), they should get a dirt nap. If those in need require help, we should give it to them. But the end game should be to get them NOT needing help any longer, not making a dependant out of them. Our government has not been very successful at managing this task.

In case you were wondering - I'm not at work right now, so don't bust my hump for coasting on company time. smile I'm heading to Austin, TX tomorrow to catch the Formula One race at the brand new Circuit of the Americas race track.



Interesting debate going on here - I'll check up on it when I get back from Texas next week.



We'll see if Texas secedes between now and when you return.

If you see bush, kick him in the balls for me!

grin

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The idea of a middle class life is slowly drifting away as each and every day we realize that our nation is becoming more of a corporatacracy.

I think name-calling is the right way to handle this one/Dan S

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#800318 - 11/15/12 12:28 AM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: Dan S.]
Mingo Offline
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Registered: 03/27/05
Posts: 1474
Loc: Kona, Hawaii
Originally Posted By: Dan S.
We should treat fraud as the outrage that it is and start executing people who rip off the system by claiming an ailment they don't have, by fraudulently billing Medicare/Medicaid, or whatever other f'n scam these bastards are pulling.......These systems are necessary, and should be used to help those that need help, not some scamming SOB just looking to be lazy. I find this type of behavior so low and outrageous to be akin to treason, and the perpetrators should be hung or shot......There are producers and there are drags on society, and neither political party has a monopoly on either group. If someone is a producer, they're OK by me, no matter what their political affiliation. If they're a drag on society (intentionally), they should get a dirt nap. If those in need require help, we should give it to them. But the end game should be to get them NOT needing help any longer, not making a dependant out of them. Our government has not been very successful at managing this task.....


+1,000,000

Angus for POTUS!

Dan, for a funny phukk who makes me rofl rofl all the time, you speak some wicked, stark truth here. Nicely done.
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