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#800324 - 11/15/12 12:45 AM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: ]
Illahee Offline
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Funny people are looking at cutting entitlements.
How many of you rocket scientists think entitlements caused the economy to tank?
Would it make more sense to be outraged at the actual causes of our economic collapse?
Hint, it's not organized labor either.

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#800333 - 11/15/12 02:07 AM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: ]
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I love liberals! Love 'em!!
I'm about to retire and you generous blokes are gonna help me live the good life!

Oh, and btw, I'm worth it!!

rofl

Did I say, "Thanks!" ??
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#800344 - 11/15/12 02:36 AM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: blue water pro
Butthurtitis. Call McCain, he's suffered it for 4 years now & no sign of it subsiding.


Not a chance, bub.
I can't speak for McCain......he was tortured.
You think you can speak for him?
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#800358 - 11/15/12 08:28 AM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: ]
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BWP-- move to Arizona and lead a fight to vote him out.
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#800367 - 11/15/12 10:15 AM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: ]
Somethingsmellsf Offline
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Originally Posted By: Steelspanker
Originally Posted By: Dan S.

We should treat fraud as the outrage that it is and start executing people who rip off the system by claiming an ailment they don't have, by fraudulently billing Medicare/Medicaid, or whatever other f'n scam these bastards are pulling.

These systems are necessary, and should be used to help those that need help, not some scamming SOB just looking to be lazy. I find this type of behavior so low and outrageous to be akin to treason, and the perpetrators should be hung or shot.


I was about to write the same thing so thanks for saving me the trouble. Disability fraud, welfare fraud, Medicare/Medicaid abuses etc really friggin piss me off. Makes me want to put on my heavy wading boots and kick them all the in balls (SFR)...and then let Dan S finish them off as he prescribed. Gawdammit. Now I'm all pissed.


You missed corporate corruption, welfare and fraud which is far greater than individual people commit, though they ALL should pay dearly for their actions.

Fishy


Edited by Somethingsmellsf (11/15/12 10:15 AM)
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#800370 - 11/15/12 10:26 AM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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So 12 years ago we had a budgetary surplus, please show were entitlements depleted that surplus.
So if you came home and found your dog had destroyed your new couch, would you kill your cat for watching it happen?

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#800375 - 11/15/12 11:00 AM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: Illahee]
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Originally Posted By: Illahee
So 12 years ago we had a budgetary surplus, please show were entitlements depleted that surplus.
So if you came home and found your dog had destroyed your new couch, would you kill your cat for watching it happen?



No, I like cats... I'd kill my sister instead... I hate my sister.


Speaking of family... Dan, If I buy you the lighter and fluid will you torch my worthless brother in law, who, for the last 20 years has been scamming the system. Now, at the age of 45, He is trying to collect a medical disability because he cant handle the "Stress" of dealing with people at work. By the way he is a f'n broom stand at the Lazy B.

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#800436 - 11/15/12 04:10 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: ]
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Wowza! Those San Bernadino benefits make the former federal civil service look cheap. And here I thought those were the highest in the country, and Reagan, like him or not, had the good sense to reform that 38 years ago.

So maybe the fiscal cliff is the right way to go; every sacred cow gives up a bit for the cause. Except I think I read SS, medicare, and medicaid are exempt from the cliff. If so, that's fundamentally stupid, given the % of the federal budget those represent.

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#800444 - 11/15/12 04:37 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Steelspanker
I don't think social security should ever be part of deficit reduction debates. Social Security is funded by our payroll takes (FICA) NOT by income tax so as long as those bastages in congress don't do anything unethical (lol) and what should be illegal, like borrowing from SS, then SS has no impact on the deficits.



To late.
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#800446 - 11/15/12 04:42 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: docspud]
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Hello that's what they have to address SS because they did steal from it for so long it is now on a path to bankruptcy.

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#800453 - 11/15/12 05:14 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
The first step in reforming SS will be raising the age to 67. That will save $150M per year. Then the payroll tax will increase. Then means testing. After all of that, I'm not sure of what else they can do. Most people are not in favor of a 401K style SS option.


Somebody had an excellent idea once...."put it in a lock box".
Slab is more than welcome to donate his SS back into the system so he can feel all conservative.
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#800454 - 11/15/12 05:20 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: stlhead]
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The very first "entitlement" we need to cut is corporate welfare, stop tax breaks for oil companies,banksters, etc,etc.....


Fishy
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#800459 - 11/15/12 05:33 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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But they might pout and stop hiring people....just like they've done now.
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#800464 - 11/15/12 05:44 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: ]
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When? Did the party of no change it's ways?
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#800469 - 11/15/12 05:55 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: ]
Mingo Offline
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
The first step in reforming SS will be raising the age to 67. That will save $150M per year. Then the payroll tax will increase. Then means testing.
[i][/i]

I've read several different versions of what "means testing" is, but most of them basically said that someone who already has some type of "equivalent/replacment" retirement income from other sources, like a pension, could/would get a reduced SS benefit than someone without that resource...... despite the fact those individuals paid just as much into the system as someone without a pension if they had the same basic salary.

That's not going to sit real well with people at Boeing and other Govt jobs with Pers1 and Pers2 pensions figuring to be a piece of their retirement pie...."sorry Charlie, you have a pension so you get less SS benefit, rots of ruck...."
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#800472 - 11/15/12 06:12 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: ]
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I find it interesting that the GOP is still trying to buck anything.
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#800473 - 11/15/12 06:17 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: Illahee]
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#800478 - 11/15/12 07:25 PM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: ]
Mingo Offline
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
[quote

I have a friend that had a federal job and he got an early disability retirement for Vietnam PTSD. When he turned 62 he applied for and got SS benefits. He was pretty distressed when he found out the amount he received from SS was offset and reduced by his gubmint pension. [/quote]

Maybe that was due to his early PTSD disability and being a Federal employee? I have a buddy who just retired from Boeing and applied for early age-62 SS and he said there was no reduction in benefit due to his Boeing pension. Different rules for public/private pensions' affect on SS perhaps?
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#801631 - 11/20/12 11:53 AM Re: So...after a week to think about it... [Re: Mingo]
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Registered: 03/15/00
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Loc: Olalla, WA
Originally Posted By: Mingo
Originally Posted By: Dan S.
We should treat fraud as the outrage that it is and start executing people who rip off the system by claiming an ailment they don't have, by fraudulently billing Medicare/Medicaid, or whatever other f'n scam these bastards are pulling.......These systems are necessary, and should be used to help those that need help, not some scamming SOB just looking to be lazy. I find this type of behavior so low and outrageous to be akin to treason, and the perpetrators should be hung or shot......There are producers and there are drags on society, and neither political party has a monopoly on either group. If someone is a producer, they're OK by me, no matter what their political affiliation. If they're a drag on society (intentionally), they should get a dirt nap. If those in need require help, we should give it to them. But the end game should be to get them NOT needing help any longer, not making a dependant out of them. Our government has not been very successful at managing this task.....


+1,000,000

Angus for POTUS!

Dan, for a funny phukk who makes me rofl rofl all the time, you speak some wicked, stark truth here. Nicely done.


Agreed!
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