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#803213 - 11/27/12 10:07 PM The Gloaters
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Post-election season is a time for healing, for putting aside the rancor of a long campaign and rediscovering what unites us. It has not been that way this year.

Prudence, one would think, if not generosity of spirit, should impel Democrats to be magnanimous in victory. Romney did receive about 48 percent of the vote. A little modesty among the winners would seem to be in order.

Instead, the gloating has been extravagant. Worse, liberals have gorged themselves on the same junk food they enjoyed during the campaign and cannot seem to resist under any circumstances — slandering their opponents. The smears are so casual and commonplace that we become weary of responding. But we must protest, or someone new to politics may assume that we concede the point.

Appearing on "Meet the Press", documentary filmmaker Ken Burns attributed conservative unhappiness with the election to racism. "Race is always there in America," Burns opined. "It's always something we don't want to talk about. Do you think we'd have a secession movement — a faddish movement — if this president wasn't [sic] African-American? Do you think the vitriol that came out of some elements of the Tea Party?"

Ken Burns is a fine filmmaker. I met him once, and I found him to be engaging and amiable. It's painful to see him descend to this kind of defamation. Some disappointed Republicans are talking secession in Texas and elsewhere. This is proof of racism? Is this the standard of evidence Burns employs for his films?

Secession talk is the overheated emotional venting of the disappointed. It is not the exclusive province of Republicans. In 2004, Jonathan Gurwitz of the Houston Chronicle reminds us, Democratic talking head Lawrence O'Donnell suggested that George W. Bush's reelection would provoke "a serious discussion of secession over the next 20 years." When a fellow panelist on the TV show in question asked, "Are you calling for civil war?" O'Donnell replied, "You can secede without firing a shot." Bob Beckel was for kicking the southern United States out of the union that year. "Really, I think they ought to have their own confederacy." Alec Baldwin, among others, had threatened to leave the country if Bush were reelected.

Burns' flippant reference to the "vitriol" emanating from "some elements" in the Tea Party is nothing but an oft-repeated slur. The late Andrew Breitbart famously offered a $10,000 reward to anyone who could produce audio or video proof that the "n" word was hurled at black members of congress as they moved through a Tea Party protest on Capitol Hill. The accusation of racism was broadcast far and wide. The lack of proof — though hundreds of people had video cameras recording every moment — is the untold story. Someone as sophisticated as Ken Burns should know that the Tea Party protests were multiracial, multiethnic affairs, featuring speakers of every background. What united them was concern that the government should stop spending money it does not collect.

False accusations of racism are an attempt to delegitimize those who disagree with you. Promiscuous use of the word also defangs it for actual instances of racial bias. Honest liberals should further consider that flinging the charge protects them from having to defend their ideas. It's simultaneously ugly and lazy.

Kathleen Geier of the Washington Monthly writes that conservatives use abstractions because they are attempting to conceal positions that "a hefty chunk of the population" finds "icky." That's the reason, she explains, that they talk of "small government, right to life, states' rights, free markets, right to work, judicial restraint, family values."

I can't recall the last time a mainstream American politician referred to "state's rights," but I'm pretty sure that whoever it was, he was a Democrat. It was the code term southern Democrats used to defend Jim Crow laws. Three quarters of the nay votes on the 1964 Civil Rights Act came from Democrats. Conservatives, as Ms. Geier would know if she actually read them rather than relying on cartoon depictions, do talk of federalism. If Geier thinks the constitutional order providing for state and federal governments is "icky," she should say so.

As for the "right to life," isn't that a great deal more honest than the liberals' habit of disguising a policy of unrestricted abortion up to and including birth as "women's reproductive health"?

Geier further confuses her readers by explaining that "judicial restraint" means "no rights for women, gays, or nonwhites."

On reflection, I take it back. What liberals like Geier need is not humility or magnanimity. It's basic information.

Mona Charen

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#803216 - 11/27/12 10:16 PM Re: The Gloaters [Re: Illyrian]
Illahee Offline
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Registered: 05/22/05
Posts: 3771
Originally Posted By: Illyrian




Post-election season is a time for healing, for putting aside the rancor of a long campaign and rediscovering what unites us. It has not been that way this year.

Prudence, one would think, if not generosity of spirit, should impel Democrats to be magnanimous in victory. Romney did receive about 48 percent of the vote. A little modesty among the winners would seem to be in order.

Instead, the gloating has been extravagant. Worse, liberals have gorged themselves on the same junk food they enjoyed during the campaign and cannot seem to resist under any circumstances — slandering their opponents. The smears are so casual and commonplace that we become weary of responding. But we must protest, or someone new to politics may assume that we concede the point.

Appearing on "Meet the Press", documentary filmmaker Ken Burns attributed conservative unhappiness with the election to racism. "Race is always there in America," Burns opined. "It's always something we don't want to talk about. Do you think we'd have a secession movement — a faddish movement — if this president wasn't [sic] African-American? Do you think the vitriol that came out of some elements of the Tea Party?"

Ken Burns is a fine filmmaker. I met him once, and I found him to be engaging and amiable. It's painful to see him descend to this kind of defamation. Some disappointed Republicans are talking secession in Texas and elsewhere. This is proof of racism? Is this the standard of evidence Burns employs for his films?

Secession talk is the overheated emotional venting of the disappointed. It is not the exclusive province of Republicans. In 2004, Jonathan Gurwitz of the Houston Chronicle reminds us, Democratic talking head Lawrence O'Donnell suggested that George W. Bush's reelection would provoke "a serious discussion of secession over the next 20 years." When a fellow panelist on the TV show in question asked, "Are you calling for civil war?" O'Donnell replied, "You can secede without firing a shot." Bob Beckel was for kicking the southern United States out of the union that year. "Really, I think they ought to have their own confederacy." Alec Baldwin, among others, had threatened to leave the country if Bush were reelected.

Burns' flippant reference to the "vitriol" emanating from "some elements" in the Tea Party is nothing but an oft-repeated slur. The late Andrew Breitbart famously offered a $10,000 reward to anyone who could produce audio or video proof that the "n" word was hurled at black members of congress as they moved through a Tea Party protest on Capitol Hill. The accusation of racism was broadcast far and wide. The lack of proof — though hundreds of people had video cameras recording every moment — is the untold story. Someone as sophisticated as Ken Burns should know that the Tea Party protests were multiracial, multiethnic affairs, featuring speakers of every background. What united them was concern that the government should stop spending money it does not collect.

False accusations of racism are an attempt to delegitimize those who disagree with you. Promiscuous use of the word also defangs it for actual instances of racial bias. Honest liberals should further consider that flinging the charge protects them from having to defend their ideas. It's simultaneously ugly and lazy.

Kathleen Geier of the Washington Monthly writes that conservatives use abstractions because they are attempting to conceal positions that "a hefty chunk of the population" finds "icky." That's the reason, she explains, that they talk of "small government, right to life, states' rights, free markets, right to work, judicial restraint, family values."

I can't recall the last time a mainstream American politician referred to "state's rights," but I'm pretty sure that whoever it was, he was a Democrat. It was the code term southern Democrats used to defend Jim Crow laws. Three quarters of the nay votes on the 1964 Civil Rights Act came from Democrats. Conservatives, as Ms. Geier would know if she actually read them rather than relying on cartoon depictions, do talk of federalism. If Geier thinks the constitutional order providing for state and federal governments is "icky," she should say so.

As for the "right to life," isn't that a great deal more honest than the liberals' habit of disguising a policy of unrestricted abortion up to and including birth as "women's reproductive health"?

Geier further confuses her readers by explaining that "judicial restraint" means "no rights for women, gays, or nonwhites."

On reflection, I take it back. What liberals like Geier need is not humility or magnanimity. It's basic information.

Mona Charen








Perhaps if Republicans would pull their head out of their a$$, they might see things a little differently.

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#803222 - 11/27/12 11:04 PM Re: The Gloaters [Re: Illahee]
ParaLeaks Offline
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Registered: 01/11/03
Posts: 10363
Loc: Olypen
One thing's for sure........

O has more time to prove just how "smart" he is or isn't.

I wish him luck, only because if he fails so do we all.
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#803234 - 11/27/12 11:50 PM Re: The Gloaters [Re: ParaLeaks]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
I don't know who's the biggest dumshit...the one who would write such balderdash, or the one who would be dumb enough to believe it.

No wonder the Republican Party is in such a tailspin...they're all acting like spoiled brats who didn't get all the toys they wanted.

It's their own funeral...they may as well provide the entertainment.

Fish on...

Todd
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#803238 - 11/28/12 12:33 AM Re: The Gloaters [Re: ]
Ikissmykiss Offline
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Registered: 03/01/03
Posts: 1244
Loc: Snohomish County
Seriously? You're that hurt over the election results? Jiminy Christmas man, get over it. Personally, I doesn't really matter to me who is elected, because my day to day life changes so very little from one regime to the next. I can't believe that your life changes so dramatically from one election to another to be so emotional about who is elected President. You political weirdies will never cease to amaze me....

I'm sorry to say it, but have no fear, I believe the next election will be yours, and you can gloat and be happy too....Gov. Christie will be your savior, as long as he loses 50 pounds or so. It will be "time for change", and he appears to have at least a half of a brain...

Ike

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#803251 - 11/28/12 02:44 AM Re: The Gloaters [Re: ]
Todd Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
The fact that you might even need some explanation about what a POS that article is shows just how far you and the rest of your compatriots have tipped over.

I bet she was really ripping Dumbya after his "political capital" mouth drooling.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. Just kidding...I bet she was not.
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#803259 - 11/28/12 08:28 AM Re: The Gloaters [Re: Todd]
Jerry Garcia Offline



Registered: 10/13/00
Posts: 9013
Loc: everett
Back to Bush?
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#803272 - 11/28/12 10:21 AM Re: The Gloaters [Re: Jerry Garcia]
topwater Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 06/28/00
Posts: 442
Loc: Rocky Mountain High
Originally Posted By: Jerry Garcia
Back to Bush?


it is not blaming bush to continue to point out how the conservative pundits are hypocrites in attacking democrats for things they supported during republican administrations. obama derangement syndrome has been in full effect and the amusing symptoms should be fun to watch over the next four years as the disease progresses.

my favorite part of the article was comparing three liberals talking about secession or leaving the country with twenty three state petitions with hundreds of thousands of signatures. that's an apples to apples comparison rolleyes

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#803279 - 11/28/12 10:42 AM Re: The Gloaters [Re: topwater]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
Would you crybabies like a tissue or a tampon?

Things would be so different if the GOP had won.............

Oh wait a minute - no they wouldn't. I see some donkeys like to pretend it would be, though.

I can hook the garden hose up pretty quick if you need to wash some of that sand out.
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#803291 - 11/28/12 11:43 AM Re: The Gloaters [Re: Dan S.]
Illyrian Offline
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Registered: 12/20/09
Posts: 1475
Loc: Spokane, wa
roflYou should go back to playing with your zinger Dan S.
Not to worry tho. No one expects the dumbchit Dem retards to
act like grownups.

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#803297 - 11/28/12 12:02 PM Re: The Gloaters [Re: Illyrian]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
lol

Read your post, Einstein.

You're going to lecture me about being a grown-up?

Go kill yourself, loser.
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#803298 - 11/28/12 12:08 PM Re: The Gloaters [Re: Dan S.]
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Registered: 04/29/06
Posts: 1728
Loc: Offshore
Originally Posted By: Dan S.
Things would be so different if the GOP had won.............

Oh wait a minute - no they wouldn't. I see some donkeys like to pretend it would be, though.



Livestock on the plantation will always bleat and bray...


...even if they are on the outside of the fence....

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#803304 - 11/28/12 12:43 PM Re: The Gloaters [Re: Driftin']
Salmo g. Online   content
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13468
I was wondering how Mona's article differed from flip side press back when Bush almost won in 2000. Remember all that lack of GOP gloating? And how Republicans didn't slander their opponents? Me neither.

It's the extremists on both sides that provide fodder for the media. Centrists who try to solve problems of national interest don't provide the kind of media entertainment that bumps ratings and sells advertising. And since this is 'Merica, it's all about ratings and advertising sales. Discussing and solving the central issues is painful news to the public, so they don't respond positively to it, so the media covers what the public does respond to, which is the entertainment value provided by the R and D extremes.

We return now to your regularly scheduled programming . . .

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#803314 - 11/28/12 01:33 PM Re: The Gloaters [Re: ]
topwater Offline
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Registered: 06/28/00
Posts: 442
Loc: Rocky Mountain High
the original article also loses credibility when it talks about southern democrats in the 60's. it is nice to try to paint the democratic party as the party of southern racists, but it takes balls when your party welcomed them into the fold and continues to pander to them. keep attempting to say the democratic party is racist, it'll make you feel better but it won't help you entice blacks, latinos, or asians into voting for you.

liberals cannot bring up bush (you know, ancient history and all) but 50 year old votes are game.

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#803317 - 11/28/12 01:36 PM Re: The Gloaters [Re: Salmo g.]
Mingo Offline
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Registered: 03/27/05
Posts: 1474
Loc: Kona, Hawaii
Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
It's the extremists on both sides that provide fodder for the media. Centrists who try to solve problems of national interest don't provide the kind of media entertainment that bumps ratings and sells advertising. And since this is 'Merica, it's all about ratings and advertising sales. Discussing and solving the central issues is painful news to the public, so they don't respond positively to it, so the media covers what the public does respond to, which is the entertainment value provided by the R and D extremes.


+too-much-to-quantify. Salmo nailed it. Most Ds and Rs I know can have (relatively) intelligent discussions about issues without little flecks of partisan foam shooting out of their mouths...but that isn't good TV. Extremists get the headlines while the rest of us talk like rational adults. And as Ike points out, no matter how solid his ideas are and how articulate he comes across (he killed it on SNL after the storm), Governor Christie's weight will be a MAJOR issue next election. They'll say he lacks the "cuteness factor" or "doesn't resonate with female voters" because he's built like Rush Limbaugh.
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#803322 - 11/28/12 01:44 PM Re: The Gloaters [Re: Mingo]
Dogfish Offline
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Registered: 05/03/01
Posts: 10878
Loc: McCleary, WA
Originally Posted By: Mingo
Governor Christie's weight will be a MAJOR issue next election. They'll say he lacks the "cuteness factor" or "doesn't resonate with female voters" because he's built like Rush Limbaugh.


Well, the folks at The Onion would disagree on the weight issue. Afterall, they voted Kim Jong-Un the "sexiest man alive". http://www.theonion.com/articles/kim-jongun-named-the-onions-sexiest-man-alive-for,30379/

"With his devastatingly handsome, round face, his boyish charm, and his strong, sturdy frame, this Pyongyang-bred heartthrob is every woman’s dream come true. Blessed with an air of power that masks an unmistakable cute, cuddly side, Kim made this newspaper’s editorial board swoon with his impeccable fashion sense, chic short hairstyle, and, of course, that famous smile...."
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#803391 - 11/28/12 06:39 PM Re: The Gloaters [Re: Dogfish]
Illahee Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 05/22/05
Posts: 3771
I saw a hot line number set up for those who find it hard to accept what the majority of voters wanted.

1-800-BAH-WHAA

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#803397 - 11/28/12 07:00 PM Re: The Gloaters [Re: Illahee]
IrishRogue Offline
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Registered: 08/08/06
Posts: 1714
Loc: Yarrow Point
Wait, Hank, I'm confused...

You think we should've let Detroit go bankrupt? Even though the loans have been paid back? It was a mistake?

OR - is the mistake you're pointing out that we're not regulating big auto's ability to manufacture product in a way that they see fit? Especially if that reduces the cost of their product in the free market?

OR - is maybe the mistake that we regulate automobile emissions?

I just don't get the point you're making?
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#803402 - 11/28/12 07:16 PM Re: The Gloaters [Re: IrishRogue]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
The point is that he's just whining...or more accurately, letting someone whine for him by proxy by copying/pasting someone else whining.

Fish on...

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#803408 - 11/28/12 07:41 PM Re: The Gloaters [Re: ]
Illahee Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 05/22/05
Posts: 3771
Originally Posted By: Hankster
Originally Posted By: IrishRogue
Wait, Hank, I'm confused...

You think we should've let Detroit go bankrupt? Even though the loans have been paid back? It was a mistake?

OR - is the mistake you're pointing out that we're not regulating big auto's ability to manufacture product in a way that they see fit? Especially if that reduces the cost of their product in the free market?

OR - is maybe the mistake that we regulate automobile emissions?

I just don't get the point you're making?


Shouldn't you have presented these questions in the appropriate thread?

This one's about the Dems constantly pulling the race card from their sleeves. wink


So does the race card trump the stupid card?

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