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#808869 - 12/20/12 08:36 PM Re: Not about guns or mental illness... [Re: ]
Illahee Offline
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
Originally Posted By: Illahee
Originally Posted By: Hankster
No, the national Guard at the schools is a far better idea. Maybe get some drones and stuff too.


I think your an expert on dones Hank.

WTF are 'dones'?



Oops, cat typo, she likes to walk on the keyboard.
When it comes to drones, Hank you are the man.
Better?

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#808899 - 12/20/12 09:51 PM Re: Not about guns or mental illness... [Re: ]
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If even one Senator can propose a bill that will actually improve future outcomes, I'll buy him or her dinner. I think I'm safe.

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#808957 - 12/21/12 02:13 AM Re: Not about guns or mental illness... [Re: Salmo g.]
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I can dig your point of view Alan. It has to be difficult for anyone with mental disabilities to get a firm grip on reality in today's supercharged infoblast. One can hope that the benefits of technology will overcome the negative B.S..

P.S. Methinks there may be a few gamers in the crowd.

peace

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#809046 - 12/21/12 02:37 PM Re: Not about guns or mental illness... [Re: erikj]
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A lot of proposals made, most of them not very realistic or socially or economically acceptable, other than emotionally. My wife and I were talking about this last night and concluded that one single small action that would "harden the target" signficantly would be having classroom doors that automatically lock such that they can be opened from the inside, but could by opened from the "outside" or hallway side with a key. That's not very expensive, and it doesn't save everyone's life, but it would keep a classroom full of kids from being targets. So it could save a significant number of lives if and when an intruder comes into a school to shoot.

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#809084 - 12/21/12 05:23 PM Re: Not about guns or mental illness... [Re: Salmo g.]
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Sounds like the airline approach to terror. Where do the black box and skymarshals go?
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#809096 - 12/21/12 05:37 PM Re: Not about guns or mental illness... [Re: ]
Todd Offline
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Originally Posted By: Chuck S.



the nra did nothing but proof positive they have no clue.


And those who support the NRA will continue to show that they, too, have no clue.

To expect the NRA to be anywhere but exactly wrong on most any issue surrounding guns and their use would be expecting far too much.

Fish on...

Todd
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#809122 - 12/21/12 06:33 PM Re: Not about guns or mental illness... [Re: Todd]
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Originally Posted By: Todd
Originally Posted By: Chuck S.



the nra did nothing but proof positive they have no clue.


And those who support the NRA will continue to show that they, too, have no clue.

To expect the NRA to be anywhere but exactly wrong on most any issue surrounding guns and their use would be expecting far too much.

Fish on...

Todd


The only time I was an NRA member was to be part of a gun club so I could get discounted prices on reloading supplies. I've helped to run two pieces of gun related legislation through the State house specifically without their help, because of the impediment they create with their abject stupidity on a number of issues. Going for a third piece of legislation this year, re-running a bill we tried last year, also without their help. Listening to them speak on almost any issue is like watching a slow motion train wreck on a loop.
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#809204 - 12/21/12 10:55 PM Re: Not about guns or mental illness... [Re: Dan S.]
Doctor Rick Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dan S.
Reminds me of the way they solved the banking crisis.


+1

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#809205 - 12/21/12 10:57 PM Re: Not about guns or mental illness... [Re: Salmo g.]
Doctor Rick Offline
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
If even one Senator can propose a bill that will actually improve future outcomes, I'll buy him or her dinner. I think I'm safe.


+1

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#809207 - 12/21/12 11:00 PM Re: Not about guns or mental illness... [Re: Dogfish]
Todd Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dogfish
[ Going for a third piece of legislation this year, re-running a bill we tried last year, also without their help.


Not surprised...your changes make common sense.

Fish on...

Todd
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#809220 - 12/21/12 11:18 PM Re: Not about guns or mental illness... [Re: Salmo g.]
Doctor Rick Offline
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Registered: 01/06/10
Posts: 1544
Loc: Sequim
Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
A lot of proposals made, most of them not very realistic or socially or economically acceptable, other than emotionally. My wife and I were talking about this last night and concluded that one single small action that would "harden the target" signficantly would be having classroom doors that automatically lock such that they can be opened from the inside, but could by opened from the "outside" or hallway side with a key. That's not very expensive, and it doesn't save everyone's life, but it would keep a classroom full of kids from being targets. So it could save a significant number of lives if and when an intruder comes into a school to shoot.


There you go again...
You are saying thoughtful things, again.

We need to look at this problem from multiple levels, if there were one quick fix we would probably have done it , and would quite possibly be wrong. Be wary of unintended consequences.

Other questions arise: Do we know where his mom stored these weapons? Did she have a safe? Did she think he was a danger? Why did she have these weapons available readily in the first place? Not to blame the mom, she is a victim, too. But does anyone think that mental illness on the part of the shooter had NOTHING to do with this? My nephew has Asperger's and there is NWIH that I would trust him around anything dangerous. He just does not have the judgement or restraint piece in place, and at 34 years old, he probably never will.

This episode has caused such pain in the American psyche that it is almost unbelievable, a truly incredible (non believable) event that leaves all of us stunned and grasping for solutions, Many of us have kids and we want to guard and protect them, and if we don't have kids, we still have a sense of protecting our "tribe."

A common theme here is doing things that will work to keep this from happening again. What is our desired outcome and how do we get there?

Best,

Rick

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