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#809783 - 12/23/12 10:10 PM Re: Surprise, surprise (The NRA's suggestion) [Re: ColeyG]
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Originally Posted By: ColeyG

These days we have obviously replaced the need for a militia with well developed state, local, and federal law enforcement and military. It was different times back then.


So, do you support putting more of these fine well developed state, local, and federal law enforcement and military at our schools?
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#809786 - 12/23/12 10:24 PM Re: Surprise, surprise (The NRA's suggestion) [Re: j 7]
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For now no.

First we need to clearly and accurately define the problem. Next, try to create and implement a reasonable solution or mitigation at least.

Until then, as Dogfish has illustrated, the numbers/facts don't seem to justify or reasonably indicate any of the proposed "solutions."
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#809803 - 12/23/12 10:46 PM Re: Surprise, surprise (The NRA's suggestion) [Re: ColeyG]
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Take a stab at the problem. What do you think it might be?
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#809816 - 12/23/12 11:07 PM Re: Surprise, surprise (The NRA's suggestion) [Re: j 7]
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Call it evil, call it bad people, call it mental health issues, call it a television problem.

Call it what you will.

As I said earlier, in my opinion it is a problem with no solution. Sad as it may be, I think we will have to continue to accept this as a part of our reality. We will scrabble all of the pieces around and maybe make a small difference here and there. One life saved in the big picture is worth the effort, but the whole has to be considered.

Do your best to protect you and yours, respect those that respect you and the laws of the land. Be polite, be courteous, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet and you should get by fine.
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#809845 - 12/23/12 11:55 PM Re: Surprise, surprise (The NRA's suggestion) [Re: ColeyG]
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Originally Posted By: ColeyG

Do your best to protect you and yours, respect those that respect you and the laws of the land. .


Thats the problem in my book. I cant do my best to protect myself if I follow the law of the land at a public school. I still could not do my best if the guy had a ten round mag. Am I therefore infringed?
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#809847 - 12/24/12 12:04 AM Re: Surprise, surprise (The NRA's suggestion) [Re: j 7]
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What are you proposing? In other words, how do you see yourself most able to protect yourself and others?
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#809904 - 12/24/12 08:27 AM Re: Surprise, surprise (The NRA's suggestion) [Re: ColeyG]
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Originally Posted By: ColeyG
What are you proposing? In other words, how do you see yourself most able to protect yourself and others?


The "most able" part is a rub. There are very few times when I'm "most able". That would require full time packing, and I, for one, am not willing to live my life that way. I'll pack when I feel most vulnerable, but other than that, I'm pretty much at life's mercy. That is not an excuse to do nothing, however......even at the cost of one's life. The principal at the Conn. incident, for example. He gave his best effort, and that is the quickest way to stop the killing. I have few heroes....he, however, was one.
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#809935 - 12/24/12 12:34 PM Re: Surprise, surprise (The NRA's suggestion) [Re: ParaLeaks]
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1st, I propose to eliminate gun free zones. Replace the signs with new signs that read "Please dont kill people here" or "Mass murder free zone" and have a little stick gunman assasinating an unarmed stick person with the no symbol around it.

2nd, (<<<<< get it), let teachers, administarter, etc. make a choice wether they want to bear arms to protect themselves. Fully documented concealed permits, full disclosure and pictures to the police and all faculty of who is packn' at the schools. A better comunication system between police and schools. If nobody wants to pack at a particular school; then place two armed police officers at the respective school.

3rd, a full/continued and funded investigation of the behavior associated with mass school shootings.

4th, a full investigation of something more sinister at play. 911 had terrorist to blame or a conspiracy of an inside job. Lets turn over a few stones and see if either is at play with these mass shootings. Mentaly ill people are easy targets to convince to do [Bleeeeep!] like this. I heard rumor that a lot of suicide bombers in the mid east were not all together up stairs.
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#809964 - 12/24/12 02:46 PM Re: Surprise, surprise (The NRA's suggestion) [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Banned User
I heard a rumor you were a fool...

Oh yeah...it wasn't a rumor.

Carry on.....


Well, if it isn't the great sheep philanderer to prompt the oldie but goodie. Takes one to know one.



BTW, what is your suggestion?
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#809996 - 12/24/12 04:18 PM Re: Surprise, surprise (The NRA's suggestion) [Re: j 7]
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rofl About the best BU can come up with is gfy. And that tells
you a lot. Another self-abuse advocate.

Ho Ho Ho and a Merry Christmas to all.

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#809997 - 12/24/12 04:21 PM Re: Surprise, surprise (The NRA's suggestion) [Re: Illyrian]
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Was he supposed to respond to the theory that these mass shooters have all been somehow programmed?
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#810002 - 12/24/12 04:53 PM Re: Surprise, surprise (The NRA's suggestion) [Re: stlhead]
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Originally Posted By: stlhead
Was he supposed to respond to the theory that these mass shooters have all been somehow programmed?


Its all conjecture with no penalty for any suggestion. You and the zinger pilots wont even offer anything. Nothing, nota, zip, zilch. Just try to shoot down J7 and ignore the whole thing. Your bullying has most likely prevented someone from offering a great solution or definition of the problem.

I did sit down and watch the PBS special this weekend called "After Newtown". I think you can stream it. It was pretty well done form both sides with a little of the usual anti-gun bias youd' expect from PBS but not bad. There is a part where they talk to brain scientists who have studied the brains of the shooters and others like them. They talk about a part of the brain called the Amygdyla (sp?). Responsible for adjusting your emotions and cooling you down when your heated up. They say that the folks that do theses shootings have defective amygdylas. Dosent seem too far fetched that somebody(ies) can identify and take advantage of this. A good number of the shooters were well known to have mental problems.
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#810004 - 12/24/12 04:59 PM Re: Surprise, surprise (The NRA's suggestion) [Re: j 7]
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I wonder which shooter's brain they examined, since most of them either blow their own brains out (leaves little to be examined) or are sitting in jail (like the Colorado shooter) and he still has his brain inside his head.
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#810007 - 12/24/12 05:10 PM Re: Surprise, surprise (The NRA's suggestion) [Re: gvbest]
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Originally Posted By: gvbest
I wonder which shooter's brain they examined, since most of them either blow their own brains out (leaves little to be examined) or are sitting in jail (like the Colorado shooter) and he still has his brain inside his head.


Not sure, watch the show. You can analyze live brains with electrodes and what not these days. I agree they cant do much with the scrambled eggs subjected to hydraulic shock.
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#810016 - 12/24/12 05:33 PM Re: Surprise, surprise (The NRA's suggestion) [Re: j 7]
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Looks like we have two options, either we round up all the crazies Ronney turned loose, and force them into treatment, or we start banning what ever guns they like to kill other people with.
Clearly we can't have both.

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#810019 - 12/24/12 05:41 PM Re: Surprise, surprise (The NRA's suggestion) [Re: Illahee]
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Another interesting tid bit from the show was that armed security at schools was actually Slick Willy's idea. Was and still implemented at inner city schools. But way under funded and not expanded to the rest of the country.
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#810028 - 12/24/12 05:56 PM Re: Surprise, surprise (The NRA's suggestion) [Re: j 7]
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Amazing the right all of a sudden want's to spend more money on guards nationwide. Let me guess...no new taxes we'll just use the "entitlements" those freeloading poor live off of causing more people to go off the deep end.
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#810050 - 12/24/12 06:44 PM Re: Surprise, surprise (The NRA's suggestion) [Re: ]
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Still nothing to offer. huh. Not surprised.
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#810060 - 12/24/12 07:38 PM Re: Surprise, surprise (The NRA's suggestion) [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: j 7
Still nothing to offer. huh. Not surprised.


what would you like to hear?

more guns in schools?

ban all guns completely?

go ahead ... neither of these will have any impact on a problem that has no systemic cure.

you cant ban insanity. It is unfortunate, but real.


Youre right. Clearly some don't want me to defend myself and others dont want to pay for my protection. Thats real! I would like to hear a good idea how to protect me at work. You know, at either of the universities I've worked at, have they ever pulled me aside and said "OK young buckie here's what you do in the event of an emergency". I am genuinely frightened by this and the events that have taken place. Nobody has my students or myself protected at the point of attack. Thats real! I dont conceal or open carry at work nor am I allowed nor should i have to. Thats real! At work I need to be focused and 100% intrinsically committed to delivering the best knowledge I can provide. Thats real! Please come up with something that protects a lot better than the current state.
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#810064 - 12/24/12 08:18 PM Re: Surprise, surprise (The NRA's suggestion) [Re: ]
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"Quit being a pussy and accept the risks intrinsic to a free society.

There are no guaruntees in a free society....."

100 % correct and the biggest fact that most wanting a law for everything fail to grasp. Freedom has two faces.
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