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#854250 - 08/27/13 03:35 PM Re: Syria [Re: Sky-Guy]
Todd Offline
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Originally Posted By: Sky-Guy
The real "Moral Obscenity" is the US Administration trying to get the U.S. involved in another war in order to line the pockets of arms manufacturers and politicians.



It's worked for the US of A for two hundred years...why stop now?

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#854254 - 08/27/13 03:39 PM Re: Syria [Re: ]
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Slick Willie tried the cruise missile diplomacy and accomplished nothing.
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#854255 - 08/27/13 03:41 PM Re: Syria [Re: Dogfish]
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What do you think will happen when we hit the hornets nest real hard? It appears to me there is an ulterior motive to test Syria's Allie's resolve.
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#854256 - 08/27/13 03:43 PM Re: Syria [Re: Sky-Guy]
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im curious as to what Israel may do while we go after Syria?

smash Iran?

2 birds?

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#854257 - 08/27/13 03:45 PM Re: Syria [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Sky-Guy
Exactly. This will likely become a massive foreign policy disaster for the U.S.



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#854264 - 08/27/13 04:33 PM Re: Syria [Re: Sol Duc]
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SG,
You give them too much credit for being smart enough to hatch a plan like that and carry it out. It is even worse we are puppets of the Saudis etc who can switch from oil being priced in dollars. Our military is being outsourced to protect their interest which also protects our economic interest. China and Russia benefit if the switch happens, it levels the playing field. The whole world knows they cannot defeat us on the battle field so you are only left trying to undermine the keystone of our power, oil priced in dollars.


The puzzle pieces from FT.

Iran is backing Assad. Gulf states are against Assad!



Assad is against Muslim Brotherhood. Muslim Brotherhood and Obama are against General Sisi.



But Gulf states are pro Sisi! Which means they are against Muslim Brotherhood!



Iran is pro Hamas, but Hamas is backing Muslim Brotherhood!



Obama is backing Muslim Brotherhood, yet Hamas is against the US!



Gulf states are pro US. But Turkey is with Gulf states against Assad; yet Turkey is pro Muslim Brotherhood against General Sisi. And General Sisi is being backed by the Gulf states!



Welcome to the Middle East and have a nice day.
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#854267 - 08/27/13 05:16 PM Re: Syria [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Sky-Guy
The real "Moral Obscenity" is the US Administration trying to get the U.S. involved in another war in order to line the pockets of arms manufacturers and politicians.

There has to be a need for weapons and military machinery in order to produce them and make a boatload of money off the American Taxpayers. How do you use up the inventory? Get into a war.
A war will use up the supplies for our own troops, creating a need for more.
Worse, the politicians also give away billions and billions of American Taxpayer dollars as "aid" to all these medieval countries. Those countries then buy weapons from American manufacturers as well. The manufacturers then donate to the campaigns of those politicians who support the war.
It is the worlds largest money laundering scheme wherein the money is essentially stolen from the American Taxpayers, channeled to these cat litter sand box countries, who then spend it on weapons.
Talk about moral obscenity....Kerry & Obama can shove their obscenities up Their A$$


Amen, brother.

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#854270 - 08/27/13 05:43 PM Re: Syria [Re: AP a.k.a. Kaiser D]
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Al-Qaeda backed rebels or Iran/Russia backed Assad.

hmmmmmmm???

Sounds like something America can dump a trillion dollars into!
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#854272 - 08/27/13 06:01 PM Re: Syria [Re: BroodBuster]
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Originally Posted By: BroodBuster
Al-Qaeda backed rebels or Iran/Russia backed Assad.

hmmmmmmm???

Sounds like something America can dump a trillion dollars into!



The good thing is that those much fabled "Job Creators" will make billions, and then turn around and use it to hire all the unemployed folks, right? I mean, they have enough yachts and condos after the last two wars, don't they?

Yeah...right.

When the US goes to war it's for one thing, and one thing only...and it ain't Democracy.

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#854273 - 08/27/13 06:03 PM Re: Syria [Re: Todd]
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Todd-
If we aint got that memo yet we never will wink
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#854274 - 08/27/13 06:06 PM Re: Syria [Re: BroodBuster]
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the US is backing the rebels as well...

so if AQ is backing the rebels, and the US is backing the rebels...

well, what does that say?

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#854277 - 08/27/13 06:25 PM Re: Syria [Re: ]
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That we’ve got a new ally in the middle east

“"Make no mistake, President Obama believes there must be accountability for those who would use the world's most heinous weapons against the world's most vulnerable people." SecState John Kerry

And from the Washington Free Beacon, “Two Syrian al Qaeda-affiliated rebel groups this week called for terror attacks against Syrian civilians in retaliation for the mass killings by nerve gas near Damascus, according to U.S. officials.”
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#854281 - 08/27/13 06:44 PM Re: Syria [Re: BroodBuster]
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Terror attacks against Syrian civilians...because Syrian civilians were killed by chemical weapons used by the Syrian Government?

Totally.

Fish on...

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#854293 - 08/27/13 08:09 PM Re: Syria [Re: Todd]
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There is always more than one reason to enter a war.

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#854319 - 08/27/13 11:44 PM Re: Syria [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: YBD
There is always more than one reason to enter a war.


There's three...money, money, and money.

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#854334 - 08/28/13 01:39 AM Re: Syria [Re: ]
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Oil is money.

Fish on...

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#854359 - 08/28/13 01:12 PM Re: Syria [Re: ]
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A couple hundred Tomahawk's at over a million a pop will do work on any and every target Syria can employ. However, Syria does have 10 batteries of Buk-M2E Surface to Air missile systems. These are capable of intercepting a slow flying cruise missile which would be what we target them with. However, radar jamming and spoofing will make there systems completely worthless. Russia specifically built the SA-N-7C Gollum missile to deal with Western cruise missiles. I'm not exactly sure if Syria has these new missiles. Who knows with Russia though...They probably shipped them a few dozen a couple months back when they knew an attack was imminent. It gives Russia the ability to see if there systems actually work in combat.
IF we and are allies do anything, it needs to be limited to cruise missile and air strike attacks. Absolutely no boots on the ground. Well maybe a small team of Delta guys to take Assad out and a few platoons of Rangers to secure the chemical weapon sites... Then get the hell out of there. The last option won't happen though...

We need to stay outta this. If it was about protecting the civilians we should have went in a long time ago...
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#854363 - 08/28/13 02:07 PM Re: Syria [Re: Rossiman]
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The thing I cannot wrap my head around is, The US and UK seemingly dont care about How many people have died, but how they are killed. They say 100K people have perished since hostilities began, and that 3-400 people were gassed, and that is now reason for action, because those 3-400 died..what..inhumanely? YHGTBFKM
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#854364 - 08/28/13 02:25 PM Re: Syria [Re: Sky-Guy]
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That's the point where it goes from "intervening in a civil war", which we "don't do"...to "saving poor people from WMD's and the Inhumanity"...which is a convenient excuse to stick our noses in there.

Fish on...

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#854373 - 08/28/13 03:05 PM Re: Syria [Re: ]
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Yeah, cuz we here in the US of A really require incontrovertible...and true...evidence before going in and spending a zillion dollars on defense contractor* toys and blowing them all up.

Fish on...

Todd

* "defense contractor" is a euphimism for "campaign donor".
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