Concerning LT's etiquette subject below, the old fashioned rules are somewhat impracticle in that there are too many fishermen fishing too little access & fish. I have to agree that simple common sense & courtesy should prevail as described by "obsessed's" reply. However, all it takes is one bad apple to upset a rotational scenario- & unfortunately they are not in short supply! Should the State step in & set governing rules for this??-- I fish in NW Oregon & SW Wash., mostly from boats. We also have similar problems down our way; with boat & bank anglers. On rivers where there are a lot of both, common sense often is challenging. I think that on rivers that have holes traditionlly fished more by bank anglers & conversely some fished more by boaters, those holes should be exclusive to that tradition- unless nobody else is there or there is abundance of room. For marginal holes, the old rule that the first there gets the right of way should apply within reason- that is, if it's not a crowded day, otherwise it's not unreasonable to expect to have to share even marginal holes; in a courteous manner.- Low holeing is probably even more common with boaters- at least down here. If a boat is anchored (by anchor or hovered with the kicker OB) on a hole traditionally backtrolled by other boats, we politely explain the tradition. If they don't back thru we simply move in close behind them to backtroll on down. For inconsiderate boaters that pull up too close over our backtrolled lines, the same applies- polite explaination; if that doesn't work you can either show them how it feels to have someone pull over their lines, or if they look like crazy gun toter types then report their boat #'s & behavior to authorities. Overpopulation & resulting overcrowding has become the greedy root of most evil! - Steve

I have to vent about a guy Friday. He was a so called guide. I say that because a real guide wouldn't have done this. First when I was suiting up I saw them catch a nice bright native after netting it and dropping it into the boat several times they tookcouple of pictures and then just tossed it over the side. the fish hit on it's side "slpat".

I went on down to the hloe I wanted to fish about 1/2 mile walk in. Started fishing. Looked up and here's this guy with hist sled and clients boondogging right thru this hole the boat was right where i was casting and his clients were dragging there gear where I was fishing. I lost it on them about courtsey and the guides only comment was what was he doing wrong. Now there were no other boast at the ramp but his and I saw only one other banker for a mile.

Now this guy had just fished 4 miles and had 5 miles below me of river below me and he had to fish the hole I was in.

Wake up people be a little respectful.

This so called guide has a black alumaweld that says pro staff, gamagatsu, and hase loomis stickers as well. If I see him again I'm going to call those reps and complain. If you see guys like this do this maybe we can get rid of them.