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#888788 - 03/13/14 03:41 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: Sky-Guy]
docspud Offline
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Originally Posted By: Sky-Guy
The big story is that all major U.S. politicians, regardless of party, and all "news" media outlets, electronic and print, are deliberately lying to the American people about this event.




That little finding is about the only thing during any conflict we can always count on.


I think we should put through an amendment that states our elected leaders that send our troops into any conflict should lead them into battle. Make the editors at our major news outlets the war correspondents. I think there would be far fewer wars and less media hype if those that sent troops in had some skin in the fight.
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#888792 - 03/13/14 04:09 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: docspud]
Salmo g. Offline
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Sky-Guy,

Are you repeating the old saying that truth is the first casualty of war?

Sg

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#888793 - 03/13/14 04:15 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: Salmo g.]
Sky-Guy Offline
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Essentially Yes, every war The US has been engaged in this and last century was based on false premise. Anyone who can objectively study history knows this. I wonder how the rest of the world feels about America these days?

And What is the US going to do, spend billions, risk war, to go and fight for freedoms in Ukraine? The same freedoms which are rapidly eroding for Americans here on our own soil? Freedoms which we enjoy less and less of each day? FU Washington DC
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#888804 - 03/13/14 05:33 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Registered: 07/11/04
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Loc: Bothell, Wa
I've been in touch with my Russian friend who's brother is still in Crimea. His brother works at resort on the south coast. His wife and newborn daughter are both back in Moscow. Seems like the flights back to Moscow are just as full as the ones into Crimea. That don't bode well for things frown .

His assessment is pretty much spot on in my opinion, "As long as a war doesn't break out, I don't care if Crimea stays with Ukraine or joins Russia. Either way, there will be a change of power, and the incoming folks will demand a new round of bribes. The average Ukrainian will likely suffer a lot as a result of all this."

All because a people wanted to get rid of a corrupt leader. Apparently we can't do that in the 21st Century!

Freedoms dead. Patriotism is dead. Corruption is alive and thriving. And that just sucks!



Edited by BroodBuster (03/13/14 05:38 PM)
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#888805 - 03/13/14 06:15 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: BroodBuster]
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The impetus to toss that leader was supposed support from the west and the EU. Putin was pushed into a corner, how could he stand by and let the west take Ukraine? Always follow the money. Who benefits from Ukraine coming towards the west? Who else can supply the EU with fuel? Who is interested in cutting Putin off at every possible angle because he supports Iran, Syria, and any other pian in the wests ass? There is no appealing to a higher motive for the west Ukraine it's an economic and political play all the way. Putin called their bluff by going all in and it caught people off guard. How they worm their way out of this will be interesting . Two groups will pay for the show however American taxpayers with more debt and Ukraines with life and life style.
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#888810 - 03/13/14 07:24 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: Us and Them]
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"One cannot wage war under present conditions without the support of public opinion, which is tremendously molded by the press and other forms of propaganda." -- General Douglas MacArthur

"It is the absolute right of the state to supervise the formation of public opinion." -- Joseph Paul Goebbels. (1897-1945) Nazi Propaganda Minister. Source: Speech, October 1933



SNAFU....

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#888897 - 03/14/14 07:13 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: Driftin']
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The Secretariat of state just got rejected by Russia on every single point he tried to make and every proposal he made. Looks also like the russkies parked their bonds and other assets before the meeting. Obama is playing checkers while Putin plays chess. looks like it will be a long spring for the community organizer and long face for Secretariat.
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#888901 - 03/14/14 07:36 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: Us and Them]
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Registered: 10/26/10
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I really don't believe anything of major significance will happen. The status quo will be maintained. Some jawing back and forth between States will occur, but the EU wants the fuel and won't risk a war on their doorstep. The US won't want the dollar to be upset anymore than it’s already been. Nobody is going to do a damn thing. Right or wrong, good or bad - the Ukrainian people are going to get sacrificed for the "global greater good". Putin's already won. Book it.

Now, if he cuts off the supply of HOT Ukrainian babe dolls...THEN we're gonna have a problem...
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#889058 - 03/16/14 04:34 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: NickD90]
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#889133 - 03/17/14 08:55 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: ]
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Registered: 07/11/04
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Loc: Bothell, Wa
Markets rally as weak sanctions announced. Imagine that.

Moscow exchange up 3.7 % Dow up 1.1%.

Looks like diplomacy worked...........for Wall Street.

Poor Ukraine's frown
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#889153 - 03/17/14 10:29 PM Re: Ukraine [Re: BroodBuster]
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I know that it is an enlightened group that peruses this forum, but consider that the Ukraine has been in turmoil for a very long time. Consider,

Exhibit 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ukraine

I have heard that, that while, 'war is dangerous, it's beginnings and endings are treacherous'.

Many people have fled in advance of this situation, and if history provides an example, many will return.

Please realize that I am compassionate for the people, however we should all remember that verbal memory's are generational, and history is recorded and will outlive the media that it is recorded on.

Such an enlightened group as this is knows who writes the history.
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