If only the victims were armed this could have been prevented.

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Todd

If only the country this happened in had some sort of gun control.

Its in Canada... Jerry, and they do have Gun Controls. Ask the dead officers families how well that worked out for them.

RIP Officers.

I knew that Ryley, just a little jab at Todd.

If only they had handed out guns to every incoming freshman as SPU at registration.

Jab away...when your answer to the massive increase in gun violence is "more guns" it already shows that you have no interest in decreasing gun violence.

It's a jab at yourself.

Fish on...

Todd

Gun violence has been decreasing for the last 20 years and hovers at all time lows. You are most likely to be harmed by a firearm in the US because you are committing suicide. The next most likely cause of firearm related injury or death is because you are a black male shooting another black mail. The only massive increase is in your typical bloviating .

Actually, reviewing the FBI crime statistics in preparation for numerous times I testified in house and senate hearings, firearms related crimes have seen a steady decline.

I can provide data.

I commend the young man who responded with pepper spray. He used the only defensive weapon he was allowed to have. Oh yeah, it was a gun free zone.

I'm talking about mass shootings, the kind that seem to make the news weekly these days.

They are overwhelmingly committed by mentally unstable white men, and they are overwhelmingly committed by people who should never have had a gun to begin with.

When the answer on how to solve that problem is "arm more people", then you will do nothing to solve the problem.

Fish on...

Todd

Thank God it wasn't a "pepper spray free zone" or many more would likely have died.

It seem we never expect it . . .

another one...


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts...hooting-n124591

don't believe I have ever advocated more guns, just pointing out that Canadian gun control didn't stop someone determined to shoot someone.

Nor did the fact that the shooter shot a bunch of people with guns.

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Todd

I barely even care but I could swear when I glanced over an article that the shooter was "obsessed with Columbine"?

Jon the guy that stopped it is getting married towards the end of the month... 15 days ago he posted his registry online, and now people that dont know him are buying him and his fiancee the things they wanted...

and all of it is almost done...

http://www.theknot.com/wedding/Kaylie-and-Jon

One of the contributing factors is the glamorization of the events by the media. Nobody really speaks much to that.

Mentally deranged person + gun + non-stop media coverage on the suspect of one event = the next event. Lather, rinse, repeat.

We really need some increased emphasis on mental health, effective treatment, and tracking this data to limit availability of firearms to these folks. I see no benefit with anyone taking powerful psychoative drugs having access to a firearm. That is specifically where anyone wanting to actually cut down on these incidents needs to go first.

Sadly, gun control is almost entirely aimed at stable law abiding citizens, with little or no attention paid to the mental illness aspect.

The SPU shooter had been referred to mental health services more than once.

What's your plan for keeping/getting firearms out the hands of the mentally unstable? Who decides who is mentally unstable? Do you have to prove you are stable to get a gun? Does the State have to prove you aren't to keep you from getting one, or taking one away?

The NRA's plan is clear...everyone should carry and then we can all just shoot the unstable ones when they go haywire. That hasn't been working so well so far.

Fish on...

Todd

After the Santa Clara shooting I read an article that looked at a bunch of suicides in Spain I believe it was. At first their were a couple of suicides were people were jumping in front of a commuter train. And then the media went nuts with the story to the point that someone was jumping in front of a train on a weekly basis. Once the media outlets got together and decided to stop reporting it people stopped jumping in front of trains.

So yea-Dogfish is spot on!

But this is America and we know three things will happen.

1. The media will continue to go nuts every time something like this occurs. Not only does it provide higher ratings but increases the likelihood of future situations for them to go nuts over repeating the cycle.
2. Liberals will argue gun control will fix the problem.
3. Conservatives will argue more guns will fix the problem.

Keep on rocking in free world!

Feinstein introduced a bill that will allow people to file "gun restraining orders" against others if they feel they are a risk.. that will enable police to go and take guns from people, and or prevent them from owning them...

all fine and dandy...

until they start reporting everyone they are scared of, dont like, just want to mess with ect, and spam the courts with bogus cases that will take rights away from people that werent going to do anything wrong...

hopefully it doesnt pass, its called the Pause for Safety Act:

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2014/06/05/3097912/capitol-alert-boxer-feinstein.html?sp=/99/177/348//

The crime should be giving these people glory in the media. Let's limit the standard because of the action of the exceptions . If every gun disappeared off the face of the earth people would find ways to kill others as they always have. Just a few weeks ago a couple of crazies drove their cars through a crowd in china and killed 31 people. This week some stoned bitch sends 8 to the hospital after crashing on highway 2. You have a higher probability of getting whacked by someone who decides to hit the bar for a few Friday beers with his coworkers and get behind the wheel to drive home than you do random gun violence. You never hear boo about that on the national news. Let's make it a law that if you decide to use alcohol you forfeit the privilege to drive? No one would support that but stats show it would save at least 12k lives a year.

That would be racist because the libs could no longer say its a white man issue.

wow, i didnt know this.. we actually have a law in this state against drive by shootings...


RCW 9A.36.045
Drive-by shooting.

(1) A person is guilty of drive-by shooting when he or she recklessly discharges a firearm as defined in RCW 9.41.010 in a manner which creates a substantial risk of death or serious physical injury to another person and the discharge is either from a motor vehicle or from the immediate area of a motor vehicle that was used to transport the shooter or the firearm, or both, to the scene of the discharge.

(2) A person who unlawfully discharges a firearm from a moving motor vehicle may be inferred to have engaged in reckless conduct, unless the discharge is shown by evidence satisfactory to the trier of fact to have been made without such recklessness.

(3) Drive-by shooting is a class B felony.

ummm, wouldnt that be attempted muder, or 1st degree murder if one was shot by someone out of a vehicle? why is it that states make laws for laws for laws?

+ Many

Maybe the media outlets should each be allowed one story one time on a shooting event. Subsequent stories or repeating the story gets them charged with "inciting another shooting."

Because mass shootings are carried out by white males between the age of 15 and 30.

Drive by shootings are just part of ghetto drug business; nothing to see here folks; keep moving; thank you.

I've been a long time advocate of ghetto schools offering firearm safety training and marksmanship as mandatory classes so that more intended targets would be hit and fewer innocent bystanders. But that's gone over about as well as my suggestion that gang membership be cause for immediate execution whenever observed by LEO, due to gangs having no socially redeeming value beyond the drug profits of the gangs themselves.

so would you include biker MC's, militia's, and the US Gov. Salmo?

Todd,

I would suggest a tiered system. Roughly like this.

1. See a mental health professionsal. 1 point

2. On psychoactive drugs. 1 point

3. Hit the threat meter of a mental health professional. 1-3 points

Points of 3 or more get you noticed and inspected by LEO. 5 points, you hit the list and it takes a lot of work to get removed from the list.

All medical records are moving online/cloud, tracking is already in place for some items. Tracked by mental health professionals.

Nothing is 100% perfect, and it is and it will be impossible to keep firearms out of the hands of someone determined to get one. It is a start, though, and it tramples on the rights of a lot fewer people.

Sounds very North Korean. Pretty soon everyone meets the criteria. I could never imagine a government doing something like that so we are probably OK.

That would be a good start right there. I've said dogfish for office before but you just keep on banking

There would definitely need to be some protections written in for HIPPA and constitutional protections for people who may lose their rights, but as a gun owner and an active gun rights advocate, we can not just keep allowing these events to go on unabated.

Lest you doubt my sincerity as a gun rights advocate, in the last few years I have been actively involved in regaining the rights for Washingtonians to be able to use suppressors and short barreled rifles. My form 4 goes out to the ATF on Thursday for my 14.5" SBR'd AR 15.

What would you suggestion be?

In North Korea they would just put you in a camp and work you until you die.

Criminalize reporting about the shooters?



Sounds very N. Korean.

Ya because the press already suppressing the names of minors and rape victims is so North Korean. You don't have to pass any laws just make it unpopular.

Too bad the victims weren't armed, they could have saved themselves and everyone else.

Fish on...

Todd

Yeah - that's the same thing.

there hasnt been a shooting... yet... but there was a police chase in L.A., and a guy jumped out of the car with an assault rifle and went up on a roof for a bit, now he is holed up inside a house and they dont know where hes at...

he was wanted for making threats to people...

live video:

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Officers-Pursue-Driver-LA-Freeways-262406711.html