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#896929 - 06/06/14 05:15 PM Re: another shooting spree [Re: Todd]
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The crime should be giving these people glory in the media. Let's limit the standard because of the action of the exceptions . If every gun disappeared off the face of the earth people would find ways to kill others as they always have. Just a few weeks ago a couple of crazies drove their cars through a crowd in china and killed 31 people. This week some stoned bitch sends 8 to the hospital after crashing on highway 2. You have a higher probability of getting whacked by someone who decides to hit the bar for a few Friday beers with his coworkers and get behind the wheel to drive home than you do random gun violence. You never hear boo about that on the national news. Let's make it a law that if you decide to use alcohol you forfeit the privilege to drive? No one would support that but stats show it would save at least 12k lives a year.
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#896931 - 06/06/14 05:21 PM Re: another shooting spree [Re: ]
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That would be racist because the libs could no longer say its a white man issue.
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#896935 - 06/06/14 05:33 PM Re: another shooting spree [Re: Us and Them]
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wow, i didnt know this.. we actually have a law in this state against drive by shootings...


RCW 9A.36.045
Drive-by shooting.

(1) A person is guilty of drive-by shooting when he or she recklessly discharges a firearm as defined in RCW 9.41.010 in a manner which creates a substantial risk of death or serious physical injury to another person and the discharge is either from a motor vehicle or from the immediate area of a motor vehicle that was used to transport the shooter or the firearm, or both, to the scene of the discharge.

(2) A person who unlawfully discharges a firearm from a moving motor vehicle may be inferred to have engaged in reckless conduct, unless the discharge is shown by evidence satisfactory to the trier of fact to have been made without such recklessness.

(3) Drive-by shooting is a class B felony.

ummm, wouldnt that be attempted muder, or 1st degree murder if one was shot by someone out of a vehicle? why is it that states make laws for laws for laws?
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#896942 - 06/06/14 06:17 PM Re: another shooting spree [Re: Dogfish]
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Originally Posted By: Dogfish
One of the contributing factors is the glamorization of the events by the media. Nobody really speaks much to that.

Mentally deranged person + gun + non-stop media coverage on the suspect of one event = the next event. Lather, rinse, repeat.

We really need some increased emphasis on mental health, effective treatment, and tracking this data to limit availability of firearms to these folks. I see no benefit with anyone taking powerful psychoative drugs having access to a firearm. That is specifically where anyone wanting to actually cut down on these incidents needs to go first.

Sadly, gun control is almost entirely aimed at stable law abiding citizens, with little or no attention paid to the mental illness aspect.


+ Many

Maybe the media outlets should each be allowed one story one time on a shooting event. Subsequent stories or repeating the story gets them charged with "inciting another shooting."

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#896943 - 06/06/14 06:22 PM Re: another shooting spree [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
Why aren't drive-by shootings that kill and/or injure multiple people in minority neighborhoods considered to be mass shootings?


Because mass shootings are carried out by white males between the age of 15 and 30.

Drive by shootings are just part of ghetto drug business; nothing to see here folks; keep moving; thank you.

I've been a long time advocate of ghetto schools offering firearm safety training and marksmanship as mandatory classes so that more intended targets would be hit and fewer innocent bystanders. But that's gone over about as well as my suggestion that gang membership be cause for immediate execution whenever observed by LEO, due to gangs having no socially redeeming value beyond the drug profits of the gangs themselves.

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#896944 - 06/06/14 06:35 PM Re: another shooting spree [Re: Salmo g.]
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so would you include biker MC's, militia's, and the US Gov. Salmo?
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#896950 - 06/06/14 07:48 PM Re: another shooting spree [Re: ]
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Todd,

I would suggest a tiered system. Roughly like this.

1. See a mental health professionsal. 1 point

2. On psychoactive drugs. 1 point

3. Hit the threat meter of a mental health professional. 1-3 points

Points of 3 or more get you noticed and inspected by LEO. 5 points, you hit the list and it takes a lot of work to get removed from the list.

All medical records are moving online/cloud, tracking is already in place for some items. Tracked by mental health professionals.

Nothing is 100% perfect, and it is and it will be impossible to keep firearms out of the hands of someone determined to get one. It is a start, though, and it tramples on the rights of a lot fewer people.
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#896956 - 06/06/14 11:04 PM Re: another shooting spree [Re: Dogfish]
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Sounds very North Korean. Pretty soon everyone meets the criteria. I could never imagine a government doing something like that so we are probably OK.
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#896960 - 06/06/14 11:24 PM Re: another shooting spree [Re: Dogfish]
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Originally Posted By: Dogfish
Todd,

I would suggest a tiered system. Roughly like this.

1. See a mental health professionsal. 1 point

2. On psychoactive drugs. 1 point

3. Hit the threat meter of a mental health professional. 1-3 points

Points of 3 or more get you noticed and inspected by LEO. 5 points, you hit the list and it takes a lot of work to get removed from the list.

All medical records are moving online/cloud, tracking is already in place for some items. Tracked by mental health professionals.

Nothing is 100% perfect, and it is and it will be impossible to keep firearms out of the hands of someone determined to get one. It is a start, though, and it tramples on the rights of a lot fewer people.





That would be a good start right there. I've said dogfish for office before but you just keep on banking grin
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#897002 - 06/08/14 01:35 PM Re: another shooting spree [Re: Us and Them]
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Originally Posted By: 43-8
Sounds very North Korean. Pretty soon everyone meets the criteria. I could never imagine a government doing something like that so we are probably OK.


There would definitely need to be some protections written in for HIPPA and constitutional protections for people who may lose their rights, but as a gun owner and an active gun rights advocate, we can not just keep allowing these events to go on unabated.

Lest you doubt my sincerity as a gun rights advocate, in the last few years I have been actively involved in regaining the rights for Washingtonians to be able to use suppressors and short barreled rifles. My form 4 goes out to the ATF on Thursday for my 14.5" SBR'd AR 15.

What would you suggestion be?

In North Korea they would just put you in a camp and work you until you die.


Edited by Dogfish (06/08/14 01:38 PM)
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#897005 - 06/08/14 02:30 PM Re: another shooting spree [Re: Us and Them]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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Originally Posted By: 43-8
The crime should be giving these people glory in the media.


Criminalize reporting about the shooters?



Sounds very N. Korean.
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#897013 - 06/08/14 07:29 PM Re: another shooting spree [Re: Dan S.]
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Ya because the press already suppressing the names of minors and rape victims is so North Korean. You don't have to pass any laws just make it unpopular.
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#897014 - 06/08/14 07:30 PM Re: another shooting spree [Re: Us and Them]
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#897017 - 06/08/14 07:51 PM Re: another shooting spree [Re: 5 * General Evo]
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Too bad the victims weren't armed, they could have saved themselves and everyone else.

Fish on...

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#897022 - 06/08/14 08:51 PM Re: another shooting spree [Re: Us and Them]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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Originally Posted By: 43-8
Ya because the press already suppressing the names of minors and rape victims is so North Korean. You don't have to pass any laws just make it unpopular.


Yeah - that's the same thing.
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#897078 - 06/09/14 03:42 PM Re: another shooting spree [Re: Dan S.]
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there hasnt been a shooting... yet... but there was a police chase in L.A., and a guy jumped out of the car with an assault rifle and went up on a roof for a bit, now he is holed up inside a house and they dont know where hes at...

he was wanted for making threats to people...

live video:

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Officers-Pursue-Driver-LA-Freeways-262406711.html
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